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Old August 15 2013, 03:37 AM   #16
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Re: John Christopher a Regular?

I think actor Roger Perry is more interesting than John Christopher. Perry had been an intelligence officer for the Air Force, I first saw him in a show called Harrigan and Son, and he was married to JoAnne Worley of Rowan & Martin's Laugh In for 25 years.
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Old August 15 2013, 03:51 AM   #17
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What exactly is interesting about him?
The fact that he didn't soil himself and run around the transporter room crying like a frightened little girl when he was beamed aboard a spaceship from 300 years in the future and then meets a Vulcan and takes it all very well.

Now, when told he can never go back home again to his wife and child, he stands up for himself. Also, he will sire a very important man who plays an important role in Earth's history and he looks right in that Command uniform.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:06 AM   #18
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What exactly is interesting about him?
The fact that he didn't soil himself and run around the transporter room crying like a frightened little girl when he was beamed aboard a spaceship from 300 years in the future and then meets a Vulcan and takes it all very well.

Now, when told he can never go back home again to his wife and child, he stands up for himself. Also, he will sire a very important man who plays an important role in Earth's history and he looks right in that Command uniform.
Well that's interesting for one episode. For an on going character, not so much.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:09 AM   #19
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What exactly is interesting about him?
The fact that he didn't soil himself and run around the transporter room crying like a frightened little girl when he was beamed aboard a spaceship from 300 years in the future and then meets a Vulcan and takes it all very well.

Now, when told he can never go back home again to his wife and child, he stands up for himself. Also, he will sire a very important man who plays an important role in Earth's history and he looks right in that Command uniform.
Well that's interesting for one episode. For an on going character, not so much.
I see your point. Subsequent eps featuring JC would have to be somehow related to his dilemma or to skills very particular to him.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:19 AM   #20
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He's an Air Force fighter pilot. He might be able to learn how to handle a shuttlecraft.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:34 AM   #21
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The fact that he didn't soil himself and run around the transporter room crying like a frightened little girl when he was beamed aboard a spaceship from 300 years in the future and then meets a Vulcan and takes it all very well.

Now, when told he can never go back home again to his wife and child, he stands up for himself. Also, he will sire a very important man who plays an important role in Earth's history and he looks right in that Command uniform.
Well that's interesting for one episode. For an on going character, not so much.
I see your point. Subsequent eps featuring JC would have to be somehow related to his dilemma or to skills very particular to him.
TOS really didn't do that sort of thing. Not sure what skills the character would bring.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:54 AM   #22
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Well that's interesting for one episode. For an on going character, not so much.
I see your point. Subsequent eps featuring JC would have to be somehow related to his dilemma or to skills very particular to him.
TOS really didn't do that sort of thing. Not sure what skills the character would bring.
His training essentially was probably not that different from Kirk's with the exception of the technology of course. Also, he could offer a fresh perspective on things. He might have been a good match-up for Gary7 later on, had that spin-off come to fruition.

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Old August 15 2013, 05:00 AM   #23
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I see your point. Subsequent eps featuring JC would have to be somehow related to his dilemma or to skills very particular to him.
TOS really didn't do that sort of thing. Not sure what skills the character would bring.
His training essentially was probably not that different from Kirk's with the exception of the technology of course. Also, he could offer a fresh perspective on things.
I think Kirk's more than a fighter pilot. His training goes far beyond that. What "fresh" perspective could a man from the 20th Century bring to a show about/set in the future? He'd be a curiosity that only historians would find interesting. I guess McGivers might give him a tumble.
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Old August 15 2013, 05:03 AM   #24
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TOS really didn't do that sort of thing. Not sure what skills the character would bring.
His training essentially was probably not that different from Kirk's with the exception of the technology of course. Also, he could offer a fresh perspective on things.
I think Kirk's more than a fighter pilot. His training goes far beyond that. What "fresh" perspective could a man from the 20th Century bring to a show about/set in the future? He'd be a curiosity that only historians would find interesting. I guess McGivers might give him a tumble.
Don't you think that someone from the past could offer some wisdom? He was trained to make split-second decisions, to take into account dozens of variables when considering the consequences of his actions on every mission.

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Old August 15 2013, 05:37 AM   #25
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His training essentially was probably not that different from Kirk's with the exception of the technology of course. Also, he could offer a fresh perspective on things.
I think Kirk's more than a fighter pilot. His training goes far beyond that. What "fresh" perspective could a man from the 20th Century bring to a show about/set in the future? He'd be a curiosity that only historians would find interesting. I guess McGivers might give him a tumble.
Don't you think that someone from the past could offer some wisdom? He was trained to make split-second decisions, to take into account dozens of variables when considering the consequences of his actions on every mission.
Wisdom about what?

How is that fresh?

How is that different that the 300+ people currently on the Enterprise? People who are familiar with the technology and the realities of the 23rd Century.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:27 AM   #26
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I think Kirk's more than a fighter pilot. His training goes far beyond that. What "fresh" perspective could a man from the 20th Century bring to a show about/set in the future? He'd be a curiosity that only historians would find interesting. I guess McGivers might give him a tumble.
Don't you think that someone from the past could offer some wisdom? He was trained to make split-second decisions, to take into account dozens of variables when considering the consequences of his actions on every mission.
Wisdom about what?

How is that fresh?

How is that different that the 300+ people currently on the Enterprise? People who are familiar with the technology and the realities of the 23rd Century.
His detachment from the here and now might give him the ability to be more objective with regard to foreign policy for example.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:34 AM   #27
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He's a fighter pilot. He has no knowledge of foreign policy except to shoot down the enemy. How could he advise on political matters of the 23rd century when there are hundreds of planets he never knew existed?

Chauncey Gardiner from Being There would be a better advisor.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:43 AM   #28
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He's a fighter pilot. He has no knowledge of foreign policy except to shoot down the enemy. How could he advise on political matters of the 23rd century when there are hundreds of planets he never knew existed?

Chauncey Gardiner from Being There would be a better advisor.
Kirk is just a starship captain yet he has put his nose into political affairs more than once...even to the point of rearranging whole societies because they didn't fit his beliefs.

Spock and the rest are required to formulate opinions on planets and species they never knew about before either on a weekly basis!

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Old August 16 2013, 06:07 AM   #29
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Kirk, Spock, and other Starfleet officers presumably had diplomatic courses at the Academy. They're authorized to negotiate with other worlds on behalf of the Federation. Any diplomatic training Christopher has is 300 years out of date.
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Kirk, Spock, and other Starfleet officers presumably had diplomatic courses at the Academy. They're authorized to negotiate with other worlds on behalf of the Federation. Any diplomatic training Christopher has is 300 years out of date.
Exactly. Kirk is trained in diplomacy. Part of his job is "seeking out new life and new civilizations". Spock is a scientist. His job is looking into the unknown and finding answers. Christopher is a fighter pilot. His job is to fly an airplane and shoot stuff. How much "diplomatic training" would a USAF officer from the 60s get? He's not even based overseas. What's that line from Full Metal Jacket? "I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture... and kill them."
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