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Old August 14 2013, 07:16 PM   #31
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

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I would prefer the prime universe to return to tv or movies. Why can't there be both?
To quote from a famous cult movie of the 1980's, there can only be one.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:17 PM   #32
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

The prime universe *is* continuing in both the Novelverse and Star Trek: Online. So we technically do have both, they're just residing in different storytelling mediums.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:24 PM   #33
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^With one (the online game) set in the 25th century, like Buck Rogers!
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Old August 14 2013, 08:14 PM   #34
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

While the new timeline will never hold the same appeal for me as the old, that doesn't mean that I don't like it. And, as long as the old timeline is continued in the novels, I'll be happy. Those were always better that what's onscreen anyway.
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Old August 14 2013, 09:13 PM   #35
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I feel like these discussions always turn into "what's most likely" or "what's commercially viable" which is all well and good, but simply answer the question what do I want as a fan...
Well, most people have answered as fans. As a fan, I want an entertaining product. Regardless of when it is set.
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Old August 14 2013, 09:29 PM   #36
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I feel like these discussions always turn into "what's most likely" or "what's commercially viable" which is all well and good, but simply answer the question what do I want as a fan...
Well, most people have answered as fans. As a fan, I want an entertaining product. Regardless of when it is set.
Exactly. To cite my usual example, the Hammer "Frankenstein" movies are not set in the same continuity as the Universal "Frankenstein" movies. Even when I was a kid, that never bothered me . . . as long as the movies were good.

Ditto for Tarzan, James Bond, Batman . . . or Star Trek.

Series get remade and rebooted all the time. It's part of the natural life-cycle of any popular fictional creation.
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Old August 14 2013, 10:02 PM   #37
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Odds are, we each have a different interpretation of what Star Trek is. If one of us was suddenly given carte blanche to produce our own version of the show, there would be tens of millions of fans telling us how stupid we were.
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Old August 14 2013, 10:07 PM   #38
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

Star Trek Online's timeline has already veered off into it's own universe. Which I guess is fine. As much as I'd like to see the prime universe "back" yeah it's probably not going to happen.

Then again, does anyone think the current reboot is going to last past the 3rd movie? I certainly don't. They're only under contract for three movies as I understand and Abrams by all accounts is already moving on to bigger and better things. Star Wars 7 will probably end up grossing more than 2009 and Into Darkness combined so yeah, he hit a meal ticket with that one.

Ten years down the road, they'll reboot it again probably. Maybe I'll warm up to the new movies more over time like I did with Enterprise, but for now they're a pale immitation of the classic material. Take the characters, rewrite them as you please, cherry pick the elements from the setting you want, mix it up in a blender and come out with "new" material. Just seems like lack of imagination to me.

There's a thread on the Voyager board that piqued my curiosity, anyone know if any of the Trek novelists plan on writing "future" stories in the JJverse(as in TNG/DS9/VOY era)?
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Old August 14 2013, 10:16 PM   #39
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Eventually, I think, the Berman-era Trek spinoffs are going to be forgotten, and thought of as no more an important part of Star Trek than the animated series SHERLOCK HOLMES IN THE 22ND CENTURY has to do with the original Arthur Conan Doyle stories -- just derivative material created mostly by other people.
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Old August 14 2013, 11:19 PM   #40
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Eventually, I think, the Berman-era Trek spinoffs are going to be forgotten, and thought of as no more an important part of Star Trek than the animated series SHERLOCK HOLMES IN THE 22ND CENTURY has to do with the original Arthur Conan Doyle stories -- just derivative material created mostly by other people.
I think TNG will be remembered to a lesser degree as the first spin-off and the last Trek Roddenberry worked on. I do think the rest will fade away.
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Old August 15 2013, 12:39 AM   #41
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I doubt it. And if it does, it'll take so long that I'll be dead and you won't be able to prove me wrong.
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Old August 15 2013, 12:51 AM   #42
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Four hours of NuTrek invalidating 21 seasons and 4 movies of the TNG/DS9/VOY era? Not anytime soon. But in another four, five years or so, it should be six hours.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:16 AM   #43
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

Star Trek Into Darkness isn't very good, but Generations is the worst Trek film.

Personally, I'd want the prime timeline back. I don't think us being in an alternative version of 1960s Trek is a particularly fresh, interesting place for the franchise to be. 2 films are never going to replace the insane amount of proper Star Trek though, so it isn't a huge issue. If NuTrek was set in the true timeline, it wouldn't remove most of the problems. I'd take a science-fiction orientated tale in the Abramsverse over a popcorn flick set in the main universe.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:43 AM   #44
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Four hours of NuTrek invalidating 21 seasons and 4 movies of the TNG/DS9/VOY era? Not anytime soon. But in another four, five years or so, it should be six hours.
But why does one have to invalidate the other?

That's the thing: people sometimes have the idea that a remake or reboot means rejecting an earlier version, but that's not necessarily the case. You don't have to stop watching or enjoying the old version to appreciate a different take on the subject matter. I still enjoy watching my old TOS DVDs even though I'm intrigued by the reboot.

But I'm not sure what would be gained by going back to the old continuity at this point? That cycle of Trek movies and episodes had a good, long run but it's over now. Time for something else.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:53 AM   #45
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I would like to return to the prime universe. I don't think it's going to happen, but in my mind I would like to to see them attempt a prime universe resurrection a few years after the last Abrams film. There's a lot of prime universe Trek fans still out there, fans who grew up with TOS not being their first taste of Trek. And there are a wealth of actors out there from TNG, DS9, and VOY that I wouldn't mind seeing again and I'm guessing others wouldn't either.

Though I can't see a new prime universe TV show picking up right after "What You Leave Behind" or "Endgame", I could perhaps see a jump to the 25th century and bringing in some of the 24th century characters for cameos and drawing on stuff like the Dominion War for story ideas, to set the background, etc.

Unfortunately the further time passes I think people move on. And the new films have reinforced the primacy of Kirk and the TOS crew in the popular imagination. It is likely we might get a spin off from these films as the basis for a new series. If that is the case, I still would love to see nods to the other Trek shows worked in somehow.
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