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Old August 14 2013, 07:16 PM   #16
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What's the problem with Admiral Akaar? I think he's terrific myself
I find him boring. Big guy, warrior culture, doesn't exactly get along with his people - sound familiar? Plus making him the baby from "Friday's Child" is incredibly fanwanky.
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Old August 14 2013, 08:01 PM   #17
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I like Akaar and the fanwanky tie-in to TOS, but i find him kind of lacking in the character development area. We got to see some of it in Martin & Mangels second Titan book, The Red King; but since then, he's just been the go-to admiral in the books. I'd love to see a novel, like Articles, from his POV as the head of Starfleet.

And YES, i am aware that Articles didn't sell very well, so this is unlikely to ever happen.
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Old August 14 2013, 09:00 PM   #18
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That's what subplots are for. If Bacco's reelection and/or Akaar's perspective on things can't support a novel of their own, make 'em a subplot. Maybe over several novels...
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Old August 14 2013, 09:25 PM   #19
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That's what subplots are for. If Bacco's reelection and/or Akaar's perspective on things can't support a novel of their own, make 'em a subplot. Maybe over several novels...
That would be good enough for me
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Old August 14 2013, 09:26 PM   #20
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I hope that the great grand son of Josiah 'Jed' Bartlet becomes the new president
And Garak as his advisor
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Old August 14 2013, 10:04 PM   #21
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I hope that the great grand son of Josiah 'Jed' Bartlet becomes the new president
And Garak as his advisor
Garak has other fish to fry...
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Old August 14 2013, 10:16 PM   #22
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Didn't one of the DTI novels hint towards her being important in 'events to come' or something along the lines?
She was suspected of being behind a certain key near-future event, but the book ultimately revealed that someone else would be responsible for it. However, it was established that she would be remembered positively by future generations.
Ah yes, I remember now.

As for Akaar, I love the guy!!!
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Old August 14 2013, 10:25 PM   #23
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Bacco... just seemed to be stressed out about her job(who wouldn't given the crap she put up with?) and trying to do the best she can. I wouldn't blame her one bit for passing the baton on retiring back to Cestus. Only thing I could really see keeping her in office is a sense of obligation if the forerunner is somehow corrupt or incompetent. Section 31 presidency anyone?
I'd think they'd be more likely to arrange things so she would run again--and win. Bacco's been a dang good president--and I'd think "the security of the Federation" would warrant keeping her.

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That's what subplots are for. If Bacco's reelection and/or Akaar's perspective on things can't support a novel of their own, make 'em a subplot. Maybe over several novels...
That would be good enough for me
Megga dittos on that.

But the question is...who WOULD run against her? And on what issues, anyway? "I'll bring Andor back into the UFP"?
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Old August 15 2013, 01:04 AM   #24
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Really, the only thing I'd ever object to with Bacco are her actions in Zero Sum Game.

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Bacco... just seemed to be stressed out about her job(who wouldn't given the crap she put up with?) and trying to do the best she can. I wouldn't blame her one bit for passing the baton on retiring back to Cestus. Only thing I could really see keeping her in office is a sense of obligation if the forerunner is somehow corrupt or incompetent. Section 31 presidency anyone?
I'd think they'd be more likely to arrange things so she would run again--and win. Bacco's been a dang good president--and I'd think "the security of the Federation" would warrant keeping her.
I seriously doubt Section 31 has the capacity to implement election fraud on this scale. You're talking about trying to rig an election being held on 150-some-odd planets and God-knows how many colonies, ships, and space stations. It's just too large to pull off -- especially if Section 31 wants to keep itself secret.

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That's what subplots are for. If Bacco's reelection and/or Akaar's perspective on things can't support a novel of their own, make 'em a subplot. Maybe over several novels...
That would be good enough for me
Megga dittos on that.

But the question is...who WOULD run against her? And on what issues, anyway? "I'll bring Andor back into the UFP"?
I can think of a couple of different scenarios for an anti-Bacco candidate, but they all cross into story idea territory.
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Old August 15 2013, 02:34 AM   #25
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Really, the only thing I'd ever object to with Bacco are her actions in Zero Sum Game.

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Bacco... just seemed to be stressed out about her job(who wouldn't given the crap she put up with?) and trying to do the best she can. I wouldn't blame her one bit for passing the baton on retiring back to Cestus. Only thing I could really see keeping her in office is a sense of obligation if the forerunner is somehow corrupt or incompetent. Section 31 presidency anyone?
I'd think they'd be more likely to arrange things so she would run again--and win. Bacco's been a dang good president--and I'd think "the security of the Federation" would warrant keeping her.
I seriously doubt Section 31 has the capacity to implement election fraud on this scale. You're talking about trying to rig an election being held on 150-some-odd planets and God-knows how many colonies, ships, and space stations. It's just too large to pull off -- especially if Section 31 wants to keep itself secret.

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That would be good enough for me
Megga dittos on that.

But the question is...who WOULD run against her? And on what issues, anyway? "I'll bring Andor back into the UFP"?
I can think of a couple of different scenarios for an anti-Bacco candidate, but they all cross into story idea territory.
I could see Bacco deciding on not running for a second term or even running and losing to...

& sadly with the Hobus supernova presumably visible on the horizon, that's probably only slightly over the top & beyond any reasonable way the story could play out. [/baseless speculation]

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Old August 15 2013, 02:40 AM   #26
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I wouldn't mind seeing Bacco stick around for another term. Out of universe she's a great character, and in universe I think she's handled the crap that's happened on her watch about as well as any president could.
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Old August 15 2013, 07:38 PM   #27
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I think Akaar fits his job and the tie in to TOS doesn't hurt.
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Old August 16 2013, 06:18 AM   #28
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I think Akaar has soften somewhat since he first was installed as Commander-In-Chief, sure he's still a by-the-book hardened person, but if you've read his character since he first became head of Starfleet I do think some development has happened. I'm a big fan of his, and he and Bacco have worked well together I think.
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Old August 16 2013, 07:29 PM   #29
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Really, the only thing I'd ever object to with Bacco are her actions in Zero Sum Game.
Yeah? What was wrong with that?

I seriously doubt Section 31 has the capacity to implement election fraud on this scale. You're talking about trying to rig an election being held on 150-some-odd planets and God-knows how many colonies, ships, and space stations. It's just too large to pull off -- especially if Section 31 wants to keep itself secret.
1) I was merely responding to the other poster's idea of a "Section 31 presidency" candidate. My argument was only that they would be more likely to support her than some new person. I'd say she's proven her willingness to "do what is necessary".

2) No one was talking about rigging the whole election. There are more than one way to ensure Bacco would win--blackmail of the candidate, flat-out leaks to the press...

I can think of a couple of different scenarios for an anti-Bacco candidate, but they all cross into story idea territory.
Perhaps some spoiler tags are in order...?
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Old September 8 2013, 06:50 PM   #30
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