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Old August 14 2013, 07:31 PM   #1
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Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

Feel free to speculate on what has happened to Voyager timeline from the fallout from Abram's movie.

#1) Andorians would join the Federation after seeing the destruction of Vulcan and how Starfleet gave up their lives to defend the planet. Thus Andorians would take the place of Vulcans participations in Starfleet, if not moreso by the time of Voyager.

#2) The remaining "pure" Vulcans would drop out of Starfleet in concentrating on rebuilding their population on a Vulcan colonial planet and maintaining their Vulcan legacy. It is possible that a few pure Vulcans will rejoin Starfleet by the time of Voyager, and that Tuvok can be onboard.

#3) Romulans would step up their campaigns of conquest when news reach Romulous of their sun destined to go supernova in their near future. For Romulan Empire to conquer the Federation, the Klingon Empire has to be out of the way if they seek the covetted prize of Earth as being their new home. More than likely, this warfare had crippled both empires and thus in no position to attack the Federation except to defend their borders. By the time of Voyager, Romulans shifted agendas by sending out ships to seek a new class M planet that they would call "home".

#4) Bajorans would still be in slavery due to the extra help needed in mining Dorvan V. That would mean Gul Dukat is still manning the spacestation dubbed as "Terok Nor", over Bajor, serving at the time of Voyager as a military supply depot for Cardassians battlecruisers protecting the borders as well as an occasional campaign expansions into Klingon territories. Terok Nor also serves as a place for shore leave and visiting aliens and neutral allies like the Federation.

#5) Dorvan V, the native American Indian planet from STNG's Journey's End, falls to Cardassia Prime. Like Bajor, the people are subjugated into slavery. It needs a new hero than just the Maquis on this one. By the time of Voyager, Starfleet would be looking for the inside help that the Maquis have been getting from Starfleet but did not know it. So it isn't just the exposure of the Maquis, but whom has been helping them from inside Starfleet.

#6) The Maquis would be hard pressed into being more daring & dangerous in undermining the Cardassians of their cruelty. The liberation of Bajorans & American Indians from concentration camps & random mass execution could not have been achieved by them without the assistance of someone operating outside of their group. The ability to thin out and divert security has led the Maquis to believe their help is coming from a Cardassian, but Starfleet knows better, because the transports for these escapes are from the Federation as commandeered by someone or a group of individuals operating inside Starfleet.

The next point is my speculation for a fanfic FYI.

#7)At the time of Voyager, the Val Jean was being pursued into the badlands by three Cardassian battlecruisers to capture Chakotay from among the Maquis crew to find the identity of the Cardassian traitor, which by misinformation, the Cardassians had believed goes by the name of Desarae. What they did not know that it was just a nickname Chakotay gave her, and she "looked" human to him. Tuvok is onboard, and although he has a general description of Desarae, he has never met her, and so he does not know if she is serving as a means in undermining the Cardassians by those that operate in Starfleet or is an actual Starfleet personnel working in unison with others in Starfleet.

Janeway had security scour the database for missing human personnel during the times that this Desarae was assisting the Maquis as well as endeavoring in other "offensive" exploits" as conveyed by their Cardassian allies. Janeway had no knowledge of the atrocities that the Cardassians were committing that Desarae & the Maquis has been thwarting.

What they did not know was that Desarae would be identified as a "Vulcan" Starfleet Counselor by Starfleet that goes by the name of Julianna Corsinca, and thus why she would not be showing up in their database in their search for a human Starfleet personnel.

Chakotay and the Maquis had not seen her Vulcan ears and her actions were those of a human being showing emotions during those times she was with them, and so they would never have known of her background of being the daughter of the older Spock whom was married to a Betazoid, because she did not go through Kolinahr, the Vulcan ritual for purging all emotions.

She "plays" Vulcan as a Starfleet Counselor, and is very good hiding her emotions to honour her Vulcan heritage, but she is very empathic which serves her well in counselling others, and avoiding men that are just interested in having sex with her too. She plays the cold fish quite well.

But whenever there is no need to hide her true self to Starfleet personnel, she will let herself out to love children and be loved by them. She is motivated to rescue children from oppression and poverty.

The series would develop with Cardassians being in the Delta Quadrant as well. Being battlecruisers, they would be heavily damaged, but eventually, they can salvage from among the three ships to get one working. Course, there would be internal strife in this process that they would pose little threat to Voyager during their time with the Caretaker, but eventually they will be a threat as they will be working in cohesion with Seska whom will be onboard Voyager.

Meanwhile, Chakotay and the Maquis cannot believe their eyes on how much this Vulcan ship's counselor looks like Desarae. (The kind of entertainment for women for revenge on making Lois so oblivious to Clark being Superman. )

Okay: I digress in my musing for this fanfic in point #7, so in setting point #7 aside for now, but essentially, as per point #1 through point #6, would these be the fallouts for Voyager due to JJ Abrams' movie?

What fallouts do you see as happening by the time Voyager's time comes around?
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Old August 14 2013, 07:37 PM   #2
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Re: Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

the timeline created by JJ is already so different that who's to say anything similar to the "prime" universe will follow?
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Old August 14 2013, 07:41 PM   #3
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Re: Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

The JJverse is it's own separate thing, and comparing it to the prime universe is an exercise in futility. Given all the differences in it, it was an alternate universe long before Nero flew into it. There may not even be a Voyager, Cardassians, Caretaker or anything that led up to it's Delta Quadrant adventure.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:44 PM   #4
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Re: Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

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the timeline created by JJ is already so different that who's to say anything similar to the "prime" universe will follow?
Okay. I can accept that as a possibility that it would be nowhere close to any similarity to the "prime" universe, but what do you see as happening?
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Old August 14 2013, 07:47 PM   #5
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KaraBear wrote: View Post
the timeline created by JJ is already so different that who's to say anything similar to the "prime" universe will follow?
Okay. I can accept that as a possibility that it would be nowhere close to any similarity to the "prime" universe, but what do you see as happening?
I'd prefer to see nothing happen in that universe
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Old August 14 2013, 07:52 PM   #6
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Re: Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

With the JJ-verse, the odds of Tuvok or any other Vulcan from Voyager even existing is slim. The Maquis possibly wouldn't have formed at all, because Federation expansion near Cardassia would seem less likely to happen. And Voyager never would have been built.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:55 PM   #7
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Re: Voyager's Fallout From JJ ABRAM's movie

JJ-Verse would wipe Voyager from existence? Bow before JJ for this blessing!
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Old August 14 2013, 07:55 PM   #8
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The JJverse is it's own separate thing, and comparing it to the prime universe is an exercise in futility. Given all the differences in it, it was an alternate universe long before Nero flew into it. There may not even be a Voyager, Cardassians, Caretaker or anything that led up to it's Delta Quadrant adventure.
Granted, even though these Dark Mirror universes seem to suggest some continuity that would fall into places regardless of the moral change in Starfleet, I was placing this in Voyager's subforum for Voyager fans in playing with the idea of it being closer to the prime universe than most.

Since no holds are barred, what do you see as a fall out from the movie if TV Land decided to redo all the series?

I mean, regardless of the event in this altered timeline, the Caretaker will still pluck vessels from the Badlands to find a genetic material to procreate another self in taking care of the Ocampa.

So even if the Starship vessels like "Voyager" and "Equinox" did not get snatched to the Delta Quadrant, surely some Starfleet vessel or vessels would, right?
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Old August 14 2013, 07:56 PM   #9
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the timeline created by JJ is already so different that who's to say anything similar to the "prime" universe will follow?
Okay. I can accept that as a possibility that it would be nowhere close to any similarity to the "prime" universe, but what do you see as happening?
I'd prefer to see nothing happen in that universe
Okay.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:59 PM   #10
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It's your imagination. I'm just saying it's a mistake to assume because something happened in the prime universe, it or something similar is going to happen in the rebootverse. I can tell you Abrams isn't working under that assumption and given he's changing the period of a universe that might not even have Cardassians in it, a hundred years before the setting of Voyager, it's really premature to say what will or won't happen in it later. Abrams really strikes me as being in the business of making movies rather than creating an elaborate universe for them. A subtle distinction, but it's there nonetheless. He may decide he wants Kirk to take on the Borg next movie because he thinks the fans will love it. He's not bound to anything that happened in the Primeverse. That's the whole point of a reboot. Take the same characters, a few plot points that you can cherry pick as you please and ignore the rest and turn out a "new" story.
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Old August 14 2013, 08:05 PM   #11
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With the JJ-verse, the odds of Tuvok or any other Vulcan from Voyager even existing is slim. The Maquis possibly wouldn't have formed at all, because Federation expansion near Cardassia would seem less likely to happen. And Voyager never would have been built.
Well, to some point, I could agree but remember, Vulcans had their own fleet of ships containing all Vulcans. They were out exploring long before Starfleet and naturally would have colonies on other alien worlds. The definition of so few of us by the older Spock needs to be redefined.

It is said that Romulans were an offshoot of Vulcans. Who is not to say that Vulcans came from somewhere else before the Romulans broke off from them?

Makes me wonder if the possibility of Tuvok continuing in Starfleet was a family tradition rather than a personal choice one like some of our people in armed services do.

Since we are not really dealing with reality, but entertainment, anything can happen, but I understand your point of view and can see that as happening as well.
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Old August 14 2013, 08:06 PM   #12
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JJ-Verse would wipe Voyager from existence? Bow before JJ for this blessing!
And here's your chance to make a better Voyager. What do you say? Dare to daydream?
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Old August 14 2013, 08:09 PM   #13
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It's your imagination. I'm just saying it's a mistake to assume because something happened in the prime universe, it or something similar is going to happen in the rebootverse. I can tell you Abrams isn't working under that assumption and given he's changing the period of a universe that might not even have Cardassians in it, a hundred years before the setting of Voyager, it's really premature to say what will or won't happen in it later. Abrams really strikes me as being in the business of making movies rather than creating an elaborate universe for them. A subtle distinction, but it's there nonetheless. He may decide he wants Kirk to take on the Borg next movie because he thinks the fans will love it. He's not bound to anything that happened in the Primeverse. That's the whole point of a reboot. Take the same characters, a few plot points that you can cherry pick as you please and ignore the rest and turn out a "new" story.
Okay.

What would you like to see?
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Old August 14 2013, 08:14 PM   #14
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I don't know why my Norton notified me that I was under attack TWICE just a minute ago by two different means, but it does seem kind of odd that somebody from this forum would try to do that. I fail to see why.

Oh, yeah. I am saying it is from this forum. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Got something to say, then say it. It's people like you that turns people away from forums and why they lose activities.
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JJ-Verse would wipe Voyager from existence? Bow before JJ for this blessing!
Sometimes, I wish there was a thumbs down emoticon.

Oh, here it is!
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