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Old August 11 2013, 06:51 PM   #916
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She's a very pretty girl.
From the right angle, yes. That's certainly one of the right angles, though.
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Old August 11 2013, 07:08 PM   #917
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The cover of Cinefex makes me wonder if it's the refit model. It might be trick of the lens, but the deflector dish looks noticeably smaller.
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Old August 11 2013, 07:11 PM   #918
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Now that's a beautiful shot.

So the docking domes are designated, "A" and "B" showing, so 6 per dome, 36 docking ports. Even the interior of the old Spacedock didn't look like it could hold anywhere near that many.
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Old August 11 2013, 08:28 PM   #919
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Which leads me to wonder if the refit version will have a redesigned bridge in the next movie, something with a two-level effect kind of like alternate timeline Yesterday's Enterprise bridge (or Voyager, for that matter) with the big window running from a sunken floor all the way to the ceiling.
If they do, I wonder how many people will rag on them for "suddenly" changing like that (instead of after the refit), despite the same thing happening to the -A between TVH and TFF.
No, that's not a valid comparison. Nowhere in Trek history has there been a "two-level" starship bridge -- the Enterprise-D really wasn't two levels, but rather just sloped.
It was in Yesterday's Enteprrise. So were the bridges of the Enterprise-C, the Hathaway and the Stargazer. USS Voyager is the most dramatic by far; the upper level is a good three feet higher than the lower level and Tom's helm station is basically a hole in the ground. And though it's not a starship, the DS9 Ops deck actually made this concept explicit, placing the commander's office high above the rest of the floor "so subordinates have to look up with respect."

If they break from tradition that much...
"Tradition" my ass. Star Trek is a science fiction show, not a ritualized religion.

The simple and familiar round bridge structure is most definitely a Trek trademark.
So is Shatner's acting and lame forehead aliens. Never EVER sacrifice coolness for familiarity.
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Old August 11 2013, 08:36 PM   #920
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They actually "cheated" a bit and used the new model to represent the old ship in one of the "zoom in" scenes before the Vengeance encounter, thinking (correctly) that nobody would notice.

Which leads me to wonder if the refit version will have a redesigned bridge in the next movie, something with a two-level effect kind of like alternate timeline Yesterday's Enterprise bridge (or Voyager, for that matter) with the big window running from a sunken floor all the way to the ceiling.
As said several pages ago, it's just a model with more detail around the bridge window, and whose window frame dimenions exactly match the set for compositing (the lower-detail model's window is the correct width but a little too short). It wasn't made for the refit, but was actually first seen in the 2009 movie when Pike, Kirk and Sulu head for the shuttlebay.
No, the proportions from the 2009 version were different from the one we see in the asteroid scene, as are some of the other details. There are other visual cues in that specific momentarily-visible model that are consistent with the refit version seen only at the end of the movie; its lines don't fit any other appearance of the ship throughout the movie.

As I said weeks ago, it's probably a cinematography thing: they couldn't get that shot to work right with the original proportions and they built a new model with slightly different proportions to make those shots work correctly. If there's one thing the ILM team has been consistent about in both movies, it's that they tend to consider all their FX shots from a cameraman's point of view, not from a technical one: their sense of aesthetics never ceases to trump design logic if ever the two come in conflict.
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Old August 11 2013, 08:39 PM   #921
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It was in Yesterday's Enteprrise. So were the bridges of the Enterprise-C, the Hathaway and the Stargazer. USS Voyager is the most dramatic by far; the upper level is a good three feet higher than the lower level and Tom's helm station is basically a hole in the ground. And though it's not a starship, the DS9 Ops deck actually made this concept explicit, placing the commander's office high above the rest of the floor "so subordinates have to look up with respect."
I'd also say the bridge of the original Enterprise had two levels.
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Old August 12 2013, 02:15 AM   #922
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She's a very pretty girl.
From the right angle, yes. That's certainly one of the right angles, though.
I don't like all angles of the new Enterprise, but that's the same for all Enterprises except the Constitution-refit. In this case, that was a beautiful angle. I think it looks worst from the top, actually.
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Old August 12 2013, 03:28 AM   #923
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So that's the Cinefex cover I didn't get. :-(
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Old August 12 2013, 10:39 AM   #924
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It's pretty obvious there are two Enterprises
No, it's actually rather obvious some people don't _want_ the Enterprise to be larger than the TOS version, for some reason. As if it was vitally important to maintain the Trek universe in one piece or something. It can't be that, mind you, because as you've pointed out already, it's just fiction. Right ?
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Old August 12 2013, 11:23 AM   #925
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I think it's fair to say some fans' ideas are somewhat crystalized. They see a shape that looks like what their old size comparison charts say is 300m and so this new one MUST be that same size, despite those who made it explaining how they enlarged it and why, and us pointing out how all the details (bridge window, airlocks, shuttlebay, dome etc etc) are all scaled to that larger size.
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Now that's a beautiful shot.

So the docking domes are designated, "A" and "B" showing, so 6 per dome, 36 docking ports. Even the interior of the old Spacedock didn't look like it could hold anywhere near that many.
Seven ports per dome. Not six.

You'll note that with Dome "B", the numbering on the ports starts at "0", and on "A" it ends at "6".
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Old August 12 2013, 02:23 PM   #927
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Now that's a beautiful shot.

So the docking domes are designated, "A" and "B" showing, so 6 per dome, 36 docking ports. Even the interior of the old Spacedock didn't look like it could hold anywhere near that many.
Seven ports per dome. Not six.

You'll note that with Dome "B", the numbering on the ports starts at "0", and on "A" it ends at "6".
Allowing it to carry at least a 42 ship armada when fully docked, the Sol System actually feels busy for once.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:09 PM   #928
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Just came across this on Youtube. It's the Starship Vessel Simulator from the 2009 movie's Bluray. Not having the BR, it was my first time seeing it. Beautiful (not to mention big) ship.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:19 PM   #929
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I found it a few weeks ago, very nicely done and I'm hoping they'll be something similar on the Into Darkness bluray sets.
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Old August 14 2013, 05:09 PM   #930
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My God that's a big ship.

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