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Old June 12 2013, 01:06 AM   #46
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Really, how much "diverse alien culture" can be depicted in San Francisco? I don't buy it. Are you suggesting there is a "Little Andoria" near the "Vulcan Compound" and around the corner from "Tellaritetown" that the various cadets can visit for a taste of home?
Why not? The president of Earth, Jaresh-Inyo, is an alien, and so was his predecessor. Obama put a basketball court in the White house, Jaresh-Inyo could install a Grazerite park nearby.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:38 AM   #47
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Prime Trek is dead. Bad Robot Trek is alive and kicking. Long Live Trek.
Was there a purpose to being this smug other than to antagonize a large chunk of this message board?
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Old June 12 2013, 01:48 AM   #48
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Prime Trek is dead. Bad Robot Trek is alive and kicking. Long Live Trek.
Was there a purpose to being this smug other than to antagonize a large chunk of this message board?
Might want to change 'large chunk' to 'very small chunk'.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:26 AM   #49
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This thread is aiming more toward Prime Trek. They could always jump ahead 70 years, like they did before after the first Kirk.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:41 AM   #50
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However, I wouldn't want it in Abrams' universe, where (only seen ST09 so far) Starfleet appears pretty unprofessional and the late 24th century prime setting (if it still exists) could be too remote for the average viewer.
My preference would be the middle 23rd century, several years before TOS. During this time period the Federation would have been quite a bit smaller than in later years and it would be possible for the cadets on their summer cruise to reasonable reach "The Frontier" from Earth during the limit time they would be aboard a ship.

It occurs to me that this would be during the time Lt. Kirk would have been an instructor at the academy, and this could be the tie in to the previous series. But I wouldn't want Lt. Kirk to be a main character, a reoccurring one perhaps.

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Combining campus life, with some starship time, with character development, with a stressful setting, with multiple diverse alien cultures, this is where the a Starfleet Academy show will be set.
Really, how much "diverse alien culture" can be depicted in San Francisco? I don't buy it. Are you suggesting ...
The "diverse alien cultures" would be the academy itself.


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Old June 12 2013, 06:51 PM   #51
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The "diverse alien cultures" would be the academy itself.
Actually, I would consider the Academy a monoculture. Sure, they're all aliens, but they're all Starfleet first and foremost.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:54 PM   #52
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Old June 12 2013, 10:30 PM   #53
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However, I wouldn't want it in Abrams' universe, where (only seen ST09 so far) Starfleet appears pretty unprofessional and the late 24th century prime setting (if it still exists) could be too remote for the average viewer.
That playing loose with ranks and roles in the Abrams' movies would give an academy series some much-needed variety IMO, especially when on training missions gone wrong (which would no doubt be more frequent than holodeck breakdowns in 24th century Treks!)
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Old August 14 2013, 11:18 AM   #54
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Prime Trek is dead. Bad Robot Trek is alive and kicking. Long Live Trek.
Was there a purpose to being this smug other than to antagonize a large chunk of this message board?
Said purpose is to clarify that Star Trek as most people knew it isn't going to come back (most likely) and for people to stop pining for the past.
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Old August 14 2013, 03:15 PM   #55
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This idea seems to come back over and over. I personally find this idea to be bad, while simultaneously intriguing. I'm a huge DS9 fan and I'll be the first to be pro-Star Trek show NOT on the Enterprise.

In fact, I'd love to see what life on Earth is like. What do civilians do? Can we see ship construction? What do young people do for fun? What are the politics like? IS THERE MONEY OR NOT!? :P

All that aside, this would not be a good show. Even as an alternative to the usual ship exploring worlds idea.

What would be the point? I mean, sure you can great tons of fun cameos, but outside of that? A high-school drama? Star Trek: Zephram Cochrane High? What real drama could you get out of it? Earth would have to be under constant threat and that is both boring and just hard to pull off. And would we really want to see Earth being saved by a bunch of Wesley Crushers?

You could pull a Nog and have cadets stationed on a ship or station for field experience, but that defeats the purpose of it being at the Academy.

If you argue that it isn't about fighting, but about the beginnings of Starfleet Officers and their trials and tribulations... Um....sounds boring to be blunt. It reminds me of Patton Oswalt's stand up on the Prequel Trilogy. About how Lucas wanted to show the beginnings of Anakin, Boba Fett, the Death Star. No one cares about that (at the risk of sounding arrogant). I can't even fathom what plots you could get out of that...

There would be no alien of the week. No exploration. Very little space travel. So no traditional plots (which I'm not against changing up) but I saw some people write that it was doable. No it isn't. Not with a plot like this. Unless you did a show on Red Squad or something. An elite group of cadets...but how far could that go? It was cool in DS9 cause they were cut off from the UFP and on their own. If it's set at the Academy...it's just them dealing with pimples and prom.

A plot like this might work if it was spread out from various POVs. Like ONE plot line being an aspiring cadet going through the rigors of Starfleet Academy, another plot line is a civilian ship builder, another plot line is the Vice President of the UFP, another plot line is a S31 agent, another plot line is the commanding admiral at Earth Space Dock. Something that shows life in GENERAL on Earth or in the UFP. Call it Star Trek: Federation or something. But purely cadets studying? I'm honestly curious as to what plots you could get out of this idea.

This idea may have been good for a novel with a young Kirk and a young Spock at the Academy, but for an entire show?

It would have drawn in the younger sci-fi viewers giving them something to relate to and given the fan base familiar faces and story-arcs.
Why...why...why? Where is this mindset coming from? I hate to bring up Star Wars again but Lucas said the same stuff about his precious prequel trilogy. It's why he made Anakin so young. So kids can "relate" to him better. BULL. Many kids related to a much older Luke or Han or Leia. Why do I need people to be my age to "relate" to them?

That will just attract all the wrong people. If you need to have a teen going through angst of youth, then Trek isn't for you. It'll attract the teeny bopper crowd who would want to see scintillating dialogue such as:

"O-M-G! The Bolian quarterback asked me out today! I wonder if I should wear blue eyeshadow to match or will he think I'm putting on blueface? Oh culture clash!"

"I totally cheated off the Vulcan chick on the exam today. Guaranteed A+!"

"I got my ass kicked today by some bullies. Thankfully, Earth is a moneyless society so they didn't steal my lunch money. Unfortunately, they just stole my replicator rations. Jerks."
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Old August 14 2013, 05:14 PM   #56
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Since I'm not a writer, a director, or a producer, I will leave the ideas up to the people with those skills like Ronald D. Moore. Put him in charge of Trek TV, see what he comes up with, and watch with awe. Oh, include Bear McCreary for the series' theme and music. Have J. Frakes and L. Burton direct regularly as they get Trek.
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Old August 14 2013, 06:56 PM   #57
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This idea seems to come back over and over. I personally find this idea to be bad, while simultaneously intriguing. I'm a huge DS9 fan and I'll be the first to be pro-Star Trek show NOT on the Enterprise.

In fact, I'd love to see what life on Earth is like. What do civilians do? Can we see ship construction? What do young people do for fun? What are the politics like? IS THERE MONEY OR NOT!? :P

All that aside, this would not be a good show. Even as an alternative to the usual ship exploring worlds idea.

What would be the point? I mean, sure you can great tons of fun cameos, but outside of that? A high-school drama? Star Trek: Zephram Cochrane High? What real drama could you get out of it? Earth would have to be under constant threat and that is both boring and just hard to pull off. And would we really want to see Earth being saved by a bunch of Wesley Crushers?

You could pull a Nog and have cadets stationed on a ship or station for field experience, but that defeats the purpose of it being at the Academy.

If you argue that it isn't about fighting, but about the beginnings of Starfleet Officers and their trials and tribulations... Um....sounds boring to be blunt. It reminds me of Patton Oswalt's stand up on the Prequel Trilogy. About how Lucas wanted to show the beginnings of Anakin, Boba Fett, the Death Star. No one cares about that (at the risk of sounding arrogant). I can't even fathom what plots you could get out of that...

There would be no alien of the week. No exploration. Very little space travel. So no traditional plots (which I'm not against changing up) but I saw some people write that it was doable. No it isn't. Not with a plot like this. Unless you did a show on Red Squad or something. An elite group of cadets...but how far could that go? It was cool in DS9 cause they were cut off from the UFP and on their own. If it's set at the Academy...it's just them dealing with pimples and prom.

A plot like this might work if it was spread out from various POVs. Like ONE plot line being an aspiring cadet going through the rigors of Starfleet Academy, another plot line is a civilian ship builder, another plot line is the Vice President of the UFP, another plot line is a S31 agent, another plot line is the commanding admiral at Earth Space Dock. Something that shows life in GENERAL on Earth or in the UFP. Call it Star Trek: Federation or something. But purely cadets studying? I'm honestly curious as to what plots you could get out of this idea.

This idea may have been good for a novel with a young Kirk and a young Spock at the Academy, but for an entire show?

It would have drawn in the younger sci-fi viewers giving them something to relate to and given the fan base familiar faces and story-arcs.
Why...why...why? Where is this mindset coming from? I hate to bring up Star Wars again but Lucas said the same stuff about his precious prequel trilogy. It's why he made Anakin so young. So kids can "relate" to him better. BULL. Many kids related to a much older Luke or Han or Leia. Why do I need people to be my age to "relate" to them?

That will just attract all the wrong people. If you need to have a teen going through angst of youth, then Trek isn't for you. It'll attract the teeny bopper crowd who would want to see scintillating dialogue such as:

"O-M-G! The Bolian quarterback asked me out today! I wonder if I should wear blue eyeshadow to match or will he think I'm putting on blueface? Oh culture clash!"

"I totally cheated off the Vulcan chick on the exam today. Guaranteed A+!"

"I got my ass kicked today by some bullies. Thankfully, Earth is a moneyless society so they didn't steal my lunch money. Unfortunately, they just stole my replicator rations. Jerks."
Hey buddy, ever heard of this:

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy was a comic book series published by Marvel Comics in the United States, running for 19 issues from December 1996 until June 1998. Along with Star Trek: Early Voyages, the two were the most popular of Marvel's brief stint of Star Trek publishing. The series ends with several plot points unresolved and a glimpse into the future.

Summary

Following approximately six months behind the television continuity, the series follows the adventures of Omega Squad, a group of cadets formed at Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. The squad is formed by Commander Zund with the intention of training cadets to meet the new challenges of their time.

Main characters

Commander Kyethn Zund
Cadet Nog
Cadet Kamilah Goldstein
Cadet Matthew Decker
Cadet T'Priell
Cadet Edam Astrun
Cadet Pava Ek'noor Aqabaa

Issues and stories*

*One of these stories-possibly the first such story in Star Trek-won an award from GLADD
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy



There's also this concept that somebody else at Trek BBS had suggested a while back:

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy-TAS

Now, are you just going to sit back and say that there's no way a Starfleet Academy show could be made?

Star Trek still needs new blood as fans, and the new blood will most likely only be attracted to stories that relate to them as young people-and a Starfleet Academy show would be the only way to do it that I can see-as much as I hate to admit it, the Abramsverse won't always be around, and something has to take it's place. Why not a TV show about Starfleet Academy?
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Old August 15 2013, 03:53 AM   #58
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Hey buddy, ever heard of this:

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy was a comic book series published by Marvel Comics in the United States, running for 19 issues from December 1996 until June 1998. Along with Star Trek: Early Voyages, the two were the most popular of Marvel's brief stint of Star Trek publishing. The series ends with several plot points unresolved and a glimpse into the future.

Summary

Following approximately six months behind the television continuity, the series follows the adventures of Omega Squad, a group of cadets formed at Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. The squad is formed by Commander Zund with the intention of training cadets to meet the new challenges of their time.

Main characters

Commander Kyethn Zund
Cadet Nog
Cadet Kamilah Goldstein
Cadet Matthew Decker
Cadet T'Priell
Cadet Edam Astrun
Cadet Pava Ek'noor Aqabaa

Issues and stories*

*One of these stories-possibly the first such story in Star Trek-won an award from GLADD
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy



There's also this concept that somebody else at Trek BBS had suggested a while back:

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy-TAS

Now, are you just going to sit back and say that there's no way a Starfleet Academy show could be made?

Star Trek still needs new blood as fans, and the new blood will most likely only be attracted to stories that relate to them as young people-and a Starfleet Academy show would be the only way to do it that I can see-as much as I hate to admit it, the Abramsverse won't always be around, and something has to take it's place. Why not a TV show about Starfleet Academy?
No, I haven't heart of that "buddy". I know my posts on these forums fall under too long;didn't read, but I addressed everything you just used to "counter". That the only way an Academy series could really work is if it is about Red Squad or some elite cadet squad. And I also said an idea like this works better in literature than a show.

Not to mention, those episode ideas take place mostly OFF of Starfleet Academy.

I didn't say it couldn't be made. I don't put anything past the garbage known as networks to put anything out. No matter how mediocre.

I already addressed the idea of young people only being able to relate to other young people...
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