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Old August 12 2013, 06:29 PM   #31
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

They would get punished by the IOC and the national federations I think.

eta: and very few athletes can afford simply not to participate assuming they have a chance to do well. The amount of money you can win at the Olympics (+ads afterwards) in luge or nordic combine or curling is probably higher by a factor of 10 or 100 compared to what you earn in between the Olympics...
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Old August 12 2013, 06:57 PM   #32
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

Instead of boycotting them, the gay athletes should just pull a Jesse Owens and win. That's the ultimate way of saying that everyone's equal. Russia's not going to arrest foreign competitors at the Olympics no matter what they say or do.
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Old August 12 2013, 07:10 PM   #33
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

I don't disagree with the thought, but unfortunately there aren't many openly gay athletes, and especially not many that are easily recognised as gay who could win (outside of male figure skating maybe).

Ideally there would be a flamboyantly gay Russian who wins a gold medal, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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Old August 13 2013, 05:24 PM   #34
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

There is no way that the Olympics could be moved at this point. I lived in Atlanta through the 1996 Olympics, and it took the city YEARS to prepare for it, building up all the infrastructure and the event locations. Even if somehow Sochi got wiped off the map tomorrow, nobody else would be able to handle hosting the Olympics.

As for a boycott, that really only hurts the boycotting nations, especially their athletes, who have trained for years and may not get another chance. 1980 and 1984 proved that one.

There's also a problem with the athletes themselves protesting by wearing rainbow flags or whatever - they would likely get disqualified and banned from participating in the games, since one of the IOC's rules for the athletes is that they can't display/promote/whatever any political position.

If the IOC really wanted to punish Russia for their policy (and I reeeeeally doubt this would ever happen), they could ban them from participating in their own games. That would be extremely embarrassing for Russia, puts the right kind of pressure on them, and is really the only workable solution. But as I said, highly unlikely.
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Old August 13 2013, 05:58 PM   #35
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

^Your solution is an interesting one. It embarrasses the host nation and prevents them from the prestige of having medal winners. Also hits them in the pocket book from a local interest and endorsement perspective. But I wonder how many athletes on Team Russia have any sway on national politics.

It's one of those dilemmas where there's no good way to punish/protest something without adversely impacting those with nothing to do with it.
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Old August 13 2013, 07:21 PM   #36
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

B.J. wrote: View Post
There is no way that the Olympics could be moved at this point. I lived in Atlanta through the 1996 Olympics, and it took the city YEARS to prepare for it, building up all the infrastructure and the event locations. Even if somehow Sochi got wiped off the map tomorrow, nobody else would be able to handle hosting the Olympics.

As for a boycott, that really only hurts the boycotting nations, especially their athletes, who have trained for years and may not get another chance. 1980 and 1984 proved that one.

There's also a problem with the athletes themselves protesting by wearing rainbow flags or whatever - they would likely get disqualified and banned from participating in the games, since one of the IOC's rules for the athletes is that they can't display/promote/whatever any political position.
They have in the past such at the 1968 Mexico City Games. But of course they were expelled from games. But that was in part to the protest being more about a national protest (to events in the USA) rather than a protest about an International events. But the games are supposed to be non-political.
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Old August 13 2013, 09:10 PM   #37
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Re: Should the Winter Olympics be moved?

B.J. wrote: View Post
There is no way that the Olympics could be moved at this point. I lived in Atlanta through the 1996 Olympics, and it took the city YEARS to prepare for it, building up all the infrastructure and the event locations. Even if somehow Sochi got wiped off the map tomorrow, nobody else would be able to handle hosting the Olympics.

As for a boycott, that really only hurts the boycotting nations, especially their athletes, who have trained for years and may not get another chance. 1980 and 1984 proved that one.

There's also a problem with the athletes themselves protesting by wearing rainbow flags or whatever - they would likely get disqualified and banned from participating in the games, since one of the IOC's rules for the athletes is that they can't display/promote/whatever any political position.

If the IOC really wanted to punish Russia for their policy (and I reeeeeally doubt this would ever happen), they could ban them from participating in their own games. That would be extremely embarrassing for Russia, puts the right kind of pressure on them, and is really the only workable solution. But as I said, highly unlikely.
Even though I doubt it changes Russian minds (probably pushes them more into an isolationist attitude), I like this idea. It's the only feasible way the IOC can take a stand.

But just wait for those protests...
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Old August 13 2013, 09:15 PM   #38
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I'd like them to come back to Vancouver but that's a logistical impossibility.

I like the suggestion above of the gay athletes going all Jesse Owens on the Russians.
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