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Old August 12 2013, 12:18 AM   #691
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Re: Season FOUR OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

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Does the starship graveyard scene in BOBW II look any better? Are the CGI versions of the ships any different than the originals?
Where did you hear they used CGI versions of the ships? CBS found all of the original 'filmed' passes and used them, just like they have for all the other effects. If they find the original materials and they're hi-def, they use them.

I thought it looked just fine though.
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Old August 12 2013, 03:47 AM   #692
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I watched "Legacy" today (for the first time in about 20 years), and noticed some bad compression artifacts in a scene in Engineering. Has anyone else picked up on that?
I can look if you give me the exact time code.
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Old August 12 2013, 06:47 AM   #693
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I watched "Legacy" today (for the first time in about 20 years), and noticed some bad compression artifacts in a scene in Engineering. Has anyone else picked up on that?
I can look if you give me the exact time code.
It's most noticable at 18:23, on the yellow uniforms in this shot:
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Old August 12 2013, 04:00 PM   #694
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Season 4 killed my PS3!

Well, not quite.

But in all seriousness I was watching Night Terrors - I kid you not, specifically the scene with Picard hallucinating and yelling in the turbolift as he thinks it is flying out of control - when my PS3 suddenly froze and died... permanently!

Oh well, thank goodness they still make PS3s...
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Old August 12 2013, 04:22 PM   #695
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I watched "Legacy" today (for the first time in about 20 years), and noticed some bad compression artifacts in a scene in Engineering. Has anyone else picked up on that?
I can look if you give me the exact time code.
It's most noticable at 18:23, on the yellow uniforms in this shot:
I think it'd be hard to judge compression artifacts on an image that itself is compressed.
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Old August 12 2013, 04:36 PM   #696
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Season 4 killed my PS3!

Well, not quite.

But in all seriousness I was watching Night Terrors - I kid you not, specifically the scene with Picard hallucinating and yelling in the turbolift as he thinks it is flying out of control - when my PS3 suddenly froze and died... permanently!

Oh well, thank goodness they still make PS3s...
How do you know it was TNG and not the thousands of hours of playing Call of Duty that killed your PS3?
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Old August 12 2013, 04:42 PM   #697
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I can look if you give me the exact time code.
It's most noticable at 18:23, on the yellow uniforms in this shot:
I think it'd be hard to judge compression artifacts on an image that itself is compressed.
That looks like a DVD screenshot, and I think it was used as a point of reference for the shot in question, not an example of the problem on the blu-ray. I could be wrong...
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Old August 12 2013, 06:14 PM   #698
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You are correct. Not everyone has Blu-ray image capturing ability. Most of us are helpless until TrekCore posts screencaps.
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Old August 12 2013, 08:48 PM   #699
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That reminds me. I keep forgetting I have a Blu-Ray reader/writer now in my PC. I'll have to try out making screenshots one of these days.
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Old August 12 2013, 08:51 PM   #700
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You are correct. Not everyone has Blu-ray image capturing ability. Most of us are helpless until TrekCore posts screencaps.
Yes, clearly the screenshot isn't from the blu-ray. As I can't capture images from it, I used one of TrekCore's DVD screenshots of the same scene.
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Old August 12 2013, 09:01 PM   #701
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Season 4 killed my PS3!

Well, not quite.

But in all seriousness I was watching Night Terrors - I kid you not, specifically the scene with Picard hallucinating and yelling in the turbolift as he thinks it is flying out of control - when my PS3 suddenly froze and died... permanently!

Oh well, thank goodness they still make PS3s...
Believe it or not, that happened to me too... when I was watching a S3 disc, back in April. I have a FAT PS3 and I got the so-called YLOD (yellow light of death). But I successfully repaired it myself. What's happened is that either the cell processor or the GPU (or both) have become partially un-soldered from the motherboard. What you need to do is reflow the chips. All you need is a heat gun (about $20-$30), some silver thermal paste ($10) and a little bit of courage.

Here's a quick overview of the issue:



And a step-by-step tutorial that will take you through the procedure:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwB_ccO-uGs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5pB24fobWM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHthPKTw7c
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJBDya7rBE
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfwPlA5b-UQ
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Old August 12 2013, 09:48 PM   #702
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Ask and you shall receive! HD screencap of said shot from Blu-ray as requested.

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Old August 12 2013, 10:02 PM   #703
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I watched "Legacy" today (for the first time in about 20 years), and noticed some bad compression artifacts in a scene in Engineering. Has anyone else picked up on that?
I can look if you give me the exact time code.
It's most noticable at 18:23, on the yellow uniforms in this shot:
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Ask and you shall receive! HD screencap of said shot from Blu-ray as requested.

Click the link for full size...



http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/08/12/VOMCo.png
Ok, here are my 2 cents, for what it's worth. After watching it in motion on the Blu-ray, I do see exactly what you're talking about, but I'm not sure they are compression artifacts. They don't look like defined blocks of data with straight edges but rather random blobs of color -- in this case red and green which are the two colors that mix to make yellow. I think this might be natural colored film grain that has been slightly over-boosted during the color correction phase resulting in what we might refer to now as chrominance noise in the video signal. Notice how you don't see this effect near the tops of their uniforms but more toward their midsection, where the light begins to fall off?

It's also possible that this particular piece of film just developed that way during processing. The way photographic film works is each microscopic light-sensitive silver halide crystal in each of the three primary color layers of the film emulsion, were exposed to light to either a greater or lesser extent... and during development, through a chemical reaction with certain color couplers in the emulsion, a tiny little colored dye cloud is left behind (like a stain) where each silver salt crystal was washed away during the fixing step. It is these tiny cyan (red), magenta (green) or yellow (blue) dye clouds (what we see as grain) that combine in aggregate, sometimes in bigger clusters, to make up the colored image.

Anyway, hope that helps. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Old August 12 2013, 11:31 PM   #704
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Well I'm on the episode The Wounded still a good episode loved how the cardys wore them silly helmets !!! And also loved Data,s Day as well data,s face when he's having his dancing lessons priceless now still .

Well I'm going to skip Devils Due as its still awful now regardless of HD and 7.1 Sound.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:43 PM   #705
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Well I'm on the episode The Wounded still a good episode loved how the cardys wore them silly helmets !!! And also loved Data,s Day as well data,s face when he's having his dancing lessons priceless now still .

Well I'm going to skip Devils Due as its still awful now regardless of HD and 7.1 Sound.
Why? "Devil's Due" is just great fun with another classic Ron Jones score. It fits perfectly with "Who Watches the Watchers" and "Thine Own Self" in what I like to call a "False Beliefs" trilogy. Pure Roddenberry.
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