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Old August 12 2013, 09:33 PM   #61
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Re: Breaking Bad Final Half Season

Hank's been keeping quiet for a week and now he's willing to talk with Walt. He's already digging himself in.
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Old August 12 2013, 09:38 PM   #62
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Who is to say there won't be a cat and mouse game now that they both know? Maybe there will still be and we get to have more fun with it.
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Old August 12 2013, 09:48 PM   #63
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IMO, one of Hank's biggest concerns will be how it will look for a cop of his staure to have one of the biggest drug trafficers in the state's hustory carrying on business "right under his nose". That was the thing that caused his boss to have to leave the force in disgrace. But that would be heavily mitigated if Hank is the one to bring Hisenberg to justice.
I've heard that argument made a lot-- that going to the DEA would make Hank look like either a fool or an accomplice, after using so much of Walt's money for rehab-- but I'm not sure I really buy that.
I think you may have misunderstood my post. My take is not that Hank might look like an accomplice. I think that Hank feels that if he doesn't bring Walt to justice and someone else does, that he will look incompetent as well as foolish, but certainly not complicit in Walt's business.

We actually are in agreement.
I'm sure Walt will still try to blackmail Hank in some way, but I think he'll have to get a bit more creative than that.
Yes, a simple check of bank records and an assets check would prove that Hank wasn't receiving any money from Walt.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:09 PM   #64
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I got the impression the reason Hank didn't say anything yet is because of how his superiors handled his other leads. He suspects Jesse, they make him lay off Jesse. He suspects Mike, 'The budget for surveilling Mike is now zero dollars'. If he's going to toss up his own brother in law as a suspect, he better have conclusive proof, that wasn't acquired by removing an object from the suspect's home without a warrant.

The more I think about it, the dumber it was to take the book with him when he left. He has basically made his only evidence against Walt inadmissable (Legal experts correct me if I'm off base). Now what else does he have? He has the fact that the original lab equipment found in the RV came from Walt's classroom. I suppose he could destroy the 'gambling winnings' story for Walt's sudden infusion of cash pretty easily. All the other physical evidence is destroyed. I don't see what he could do to Walt without flipping someone. And TBH, I think the most likely person to flip is Skylar, not Jesse.

It shouldn't be too hard for Hank to figure out Skylar is an accomplice. Soon he's going to think about the timing of the divorce and the fact that she came up with the idea to pay for his rehab, she came up with the gambling story, and she runs the car wash.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:18 PM   #65
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I just thought of something regarding the flash-forward. Walt created two batches of ricin in the course of the show - one to kill Tuco, and the other to kill Gus. Both times, the reason he wanted to use ricin was so that the murder would be undetectable. However, on his 52nd birthday, he has just got himself a .60 caliber machine gun. He is planning to do some very open and obvious murdering. Why would he need the ricin now? Who does he need to kill covertly, as opposed to the overt killings he is planning to do with the gun? Why would it matter at this point?
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Old August 12 2013, 10:32 PM   #66
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Walt definitely did a good job covering up much of the physical evidence, but there's still a ton of people who could probably place him with Gus or Jesse, or at the laundry, I would think. They would just need to be tracked down.

And people can still be convicted through circumstantial evidence, of which there's a mountain of against Walt.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:12 PM   #67
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Yes, a simple check of bank records and an assets check would prove that Hank wasn't receiving any money from Walt.
The house Hank lives in is in an incredibly expensive neighborhood (million plus level homes) how the hell did he afford it?
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Old August 12 2013, 11:18 PM   #68
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Agent Richard07 wrote: View Post
Never heard the term "cold open" before. Had to look it up.

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The other thing that surprised me was the way they had Hank reacting to all this. Like most people, I was kinda expecting him to play things calm, cool, and collected around Walt for a few episodes until he gathered all his evidence. But now I realize how much of a TV cliche that probably was.

The way they did it felt much more real and believable.
I thought it was a little over the top, especially with the car crash, but it's drama and that's what the show does.

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...the scene with Carol puzzled me. She reacted to seeing him like maybe she thought he was dead. But why confirm his identity by speaking to her? I think there is more to this scene than there appears to be.
I thought that she was just surprised to see him back.
Given his history of panic attacks, I thought that was believable.

Taking the book out of the house thought was stupid. Hank has a camera phone I believe...take a picture of the book and leave it there!
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Old August 12 2013, 11:36 PM   #69
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He probably thought that Walt might get rid of it before he had enough of a case against him. Besides, he was really shocked by the discovery and not quite thinking things through, I imagine.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:57 PM   #70
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I just thought of something regarding the flash-forward. Walt created two batches of ricin in the course of the show - one to kill Tuco, and the other to kill Gus. Both times, the reason he wanted to use ricin was so that the murder would be undetectable. However, on his 52nd birthday, he has just got himself a .60 caliber machine gun. He is planning to do some very open and obvious murdering. Why would he need the ricin now? Who does he need to kill covertly, as opposed to the overt killings he is planning to do with the gun? Why would it matter at this point?
Walt has gone out of his way to save Hank and Jesse. Yes, it was mostly because he also wanted to save himself as well, but I also believe he does care for them. Walt still tries to maintain the illusion that he is doing all of this for his family, this includes Hank and Marie and Jesse. I think that he will still try to maintain his family. The show has always been about Walt fixing one problem, only to have another one pop up. As we saw with the train heist, it was perfect until the kid was shot. Now, Hank knows the truth an Walt has threatened Hank, but I'm guessing that Walt will not purposely hurt Hank. I also see consequences from Jesse throwing the money around. Something like that will show up in the news the next day. Jessie's fingerprints are on the money, so that could be an issue. Keeping all of that in mind, I believe the gun is not being used on Hank or Jesse, neither is the ricin. I think the gun is part of a bigger plan of Walt's that involves trying to fix a problem. It may be used in a trade for something else or it could be used as a way to set someone up or it could be used as a way to blast through a door or something. The ricin could be Walt's own way out or it may be the only way to get to someone without a big shootout Scarface style. I think we're going to see Walt make Hank a hero, but without Walt necessarily being the "bad guy". Jesse is the rouge element though that I'm not sure how it will play out. All I know is that every thing in this show that is shown on screen, definitely has a purpose.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:08 AM   #71
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I think it's pretty safe to say that with the Hank revelation Walt now knows he has to go full on Heisenberg to survive and protect his neck. Walt's dead, Heisenberg has taken over. I think the future look at his gated, boarded up house with Heisenberg written on the wall reinforces that, as well as the reaction of his neighbor - she looked absolutely terrified when he said hello, like she knows what Heisenberg is capable of.

Pretty excited to see where this goes.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:17 AM   #72
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Even as bad as things might get, I have a hard time seeing Walt either poisoning or shooting Hank or Jesse. He might try to orchestrate their deaths in some other oblique way, through using other people or setting them up for a fall somehow, but not through any direct action he takes himself.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:23 AM   #73
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Sephiroth wrote: View Post
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Yes, a simple check of bank records and an assets check would prove that Hank wasn't receiving any money from Walt.
The house Hank lives in is in an incredibly expensive neighborhood (million plus level homes) how the hell did he afford it?


On his police officer's salary, obviously -- unless Hank has been on the take from Walt or some other drug lord ALLLLLL this time.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:40 AM   #74
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Could the ricin may be for Walt himself? After he blows away whoever with the M16 he commits suicide to avoid getting caught?
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Old August 13 2013, 01:19 AM   #75
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This show is my favorite on TV right now, I didn't realize there was a thread going about it.

I loved the Star Trek scene in last night's episode!
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