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Old August 11 2013, 09:33 PM   #91
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Re: What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

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My biggest wish for the next Trek is that it's about the Enterprise encountering a strange new world, with new life and a new civilisation.
And then what? What happens?
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Old August 11 2013, 10:07 PM   #92
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Orci or Kurtzman's name in the credits.

My biggest wish for the next Trek is that it's about the Enterprise encountering a strange new world, with new life and a new civilisation. I think that'd be pretty y'know, bold. Rather than another bland action movie with a vengeance-seeking villain to appease the masses.
So completely different from virtually every classic Trek or TNG movie, then?
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Old August 11 2013, 10:09 PM   #93
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Yeah, I've long been saying the movies should resemble Star Trek more.

You guys are getting your golden age of revenge movies right now, and that's brilliant. I'm glad for you. But maybe a slight change next time could be interesting?
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Old August 11 2013, 10:16 PM   #94
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You still didn't answer my question, what happens when they explore a new planet? Or meet a new civilization?
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Old August 11 2013, 10:36 PM   #95
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Yeah, I've long been saying the movies should resemble Star Trek more.

You guys are getting your golden age of revenge movies right now, and that's brilliant. I'm glad for you. But maybe a slight change next time could be interesting?
The new movies (for bad or good) follow the same formula as the most of the classic Trek and TNG movies. TMP was the "exploring the strange and unknown" film and we see how well it goes over; TVH was a break from the formula too, and it was played for laughs and more or less ignored the series--characters and framing story aside.
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Old August 11 2013, 10:45 PM   #96
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You still didn't answer my question, what happens when they explore a new planet? Or meet a new civilization?
All number of creative, exciting things and hopefully an adventure that explores philosophy and morality. I'd like maybe a sort-of Star Trek horror film, about the crew encountering a truly alien being that brings about Lovecraftian psychological trauma.
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Old August 11 2013, 10:58 PM   #97
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Re: What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?
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Old August 11 2013, 11:33 PM   #98
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It seemed to fit in to the same thematic structure and mould as blockbusters like The Avengers, The Dark Knight Returns and Skyfall.

I personally feel Star Trek should try and stand out a bit more. Preferably with more emphasis on the science-fiction element.

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Old August 12 2013, 12:28 AM   #99
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Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?
It's hard to see a theme when all you have are random story elements stuck into a flimsy framework to set up and connect action scenes.
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Random? In what way?
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Old August 12 2013, 11:28 AM   #101
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Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?
It's hard to see a theme when all you have are random story elements stuck into a flimsy framework to set up and connect action scenes.
Action scenes like....

*Kirk and Spock discussing the ethics and legality of their mission

*Scotty and Keenser resigning over their mission

*Kirk deciding to capture Harrison alive for trial rather than execute him with the long range missiles
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Old August 12 2013, 12:15 PM   #102
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Re: What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

No more Spock/Uhura.
No Klingons.
No rehashing of TOS/Movie stories and/or scripts.
No TNG/DS9/VOY elements (Borg, Q, etc).
No women just in their underwear (costume changes can happen off screen).
No bare arms (give the women proper uniforms wich displays their ranks).
No lense flares in emotional/interpersonal moments of the story.
No more emotionally unstable Spock.

There are other things I'd want them to drop (such as instant-warp, super duper transporters, and mammoth starships) but those things unfortunately look like they're here to stay.
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Old August 12 2013, 05:14 PM   #103
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Caricatures via crude dialogue scenes.
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Old August 12 2013, 06:05 PM   #104
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Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?
It's hard to see a theme when all you have are random story elements stuck into a flimsy framework to set up and connect action scenes.
Action scenes like....

*Kirk and Spock discussing the ethics and legality of their mission

*Scotty and Keenser resigning over their mission

*Kirk deciding to capture Harrison alive for trial rather than execute him with the long range missiles
Those are all setup/framework scenes for action sequences later in the film. Kirk and Spock discussing the legality of the mission leads to Kirk deciding to capture Harrison, which ultimately results in a fight scene involving John Harrison and the whole rest of the film. Scotty and Keenser resigning sets up Scotty's discovery of the Vengeance, Scotty saving the Enterprise from the Vengeance, getting Kirk and Khan on the Vengeance, and everything else on the Vengeance. All these scenes are necessary for the plot, but they don't really form a cohesive theme besides "standing up for your principles at the wrong time gets people killed." And I'm pretty sure that's not what the writers were trying to say.
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Old August 12 2013, 07:00 PM   #105
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Re: What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

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No more Spock/Uhura.
No Klingons.
No rehashing of TOS/Movie stories and/or scripts.
No TNG/DS9/VOY elements (Borg, Q, etc).
No women just in their underwear (costume changes can happen off screen).
No bare arms (give the women proper uniforms wich displays their ranks).
No lense flares in emotional/interpersonal moments of the story.
No more emotionally unstable Spock.

There are other things I'd want them to drop (such as instant-warp, super duper transporters, and mammoth starships) but those things unfortunately look like they're here to stay.
I agree with all of those on your list except the Klingons. Why no Klingons?
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