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Old August 11 2013, 07:08 PM   #16
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Re: the non-canonical doctors in TV/film

Well, that's the thing. With Conan Doyle, there's only one author whose work is the canon - and even then, it's not all his Holmes stories that are included, which seems weird. With a multi-author piece, it's much harder to draw the line, I feel. Still, I take your point of view, and I'm not here to argue about definitions. I think my original point still stands, that Who actively encourages alternate timelines, rewritten histories and parallel universes, and as a result, I think all depictions of the Doctor have equal validity - and in my view, are just as worthy of investigation as those seen on the telly.
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Old August 11 2013, 09:46 PM   #17
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There's some Canadian book series called "The Doctor Who Project" or something where it depicts an alternate reality if Doctor Who wasn't cancelled in 1989 and the classic series was still going today.

The Curse of Fatal Death Doctors and the Cushing Doctor as already discussed along with the Shalka Doctor.

Isn't there a Big Finish series with that guy who was offered the part of the 1st doctor but declined it as an alternate first doctor?

Um, all sorts.
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Old August 11 2013, 09:50 PM   #18
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Oh yes, and there's these people on You Tube who made this series about a doctor between 8 & 9 that the doctor forgot about called "Doctor Who: The Forgotten Doctor" which features the first black doctor. I think his clothes were pretty similar to Atkinson's in Fatal Death actually. And I think Sylvester McCoy actually supports the series as I saw a picture of the DW:TFD crew with him.

Also, the theme tune is awful. Like something from one of those awful low budget Sci-Fi's from the 1990s. Awful 70s guitar in it. Wasn't very Doctor Who at a;;.
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Old August 11 2013, 09:58 PM   #19
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Isn't there a Big Finish series with that guy who was offered the part of the 1st doctor but declined it as an alternate first doctor?
Doctor Who Unbound, I believe is what you are pointing at. I think that's Geoffrey Bayldon you are speaking of specifically, he does 2 out of the 8 "Unbound" Stories as Doctor One. David Warner as Doctor Three also does 2, Arabella Weir plays a female version of Three, The Valleyard returns in one and I don't recall the other 2 offhand. I enjoy them all, except the Arabella Weir one (Not because she's female, I was looking forward to a female version greatly, but, the story was just one long belching, barfing binge).
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Old August 11 2013, 10:02 PM   #20
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Oh yes, and there's these people on You Tube who made this series about a doctor between 8 & 9 that the doctor forgot about called "Doctor Who: The Forgotten Doctor" which features the first black doctor. I think his clothes were pretty similar to Atkinson's in Fatal Death actually. And I think Sylvester McCoy actually supports the series as I saw a picture of the DW:TFD crew with him.

Also, the theme tune is awful. Like something from one of those awful low budget Sci-Fi's from the 1990s. Awful 70s guitar in it. Wasn't very Doctor Who at a;;.
I haven't run across those, but, there are a few animated stories of John Hall playing the Doctor (kind of has a Tennant era vibe to it) from DWTheWritersBlog that are kinda fun (Animation the way they move is a bit creepy, though, LOL)
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Old August 11 2013, 10:09 PM   #21
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I just say that Atkinson was actually McGann's incarnation--he just got a grazing hit from The Master's tissue compression gun.
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Old August 11 2013, 10:42 PM   #22
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Oh yes, and there's these people on You Tube who made this series about a doctor between 8 & 9 that the doctor forgot about called "Doctor Who: The Forgotten Doctor" which features the first black doctor. I think his clothes were pretty similar to Atkinson's in Fatal Death actually. And I think Sylvester McCoy actually supports the series as I saw a picture of the DW:TFD crew with him.

Also, the theme tune is awful. Like something from one of those awful low budget Sci-Fi's from the 1990s. Awful 70s guitar in it. Wasn't very Doctor Who at a;;.
I haven't run across those, but, there are a few animated stories of John Hall playing the Doctor (kind of has a Tennant era vibe to it) from DWTheWritersBlog that are kinda fun (Animation the way they move is a bit creepy, though, LOL)
Here's a page all about it.
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I just say that Atkinson was actually McGann's incarnation--he just got a grazing hit from The Master's tissue compression gun.
Where did you hear that from? And also, I remember the Master saying that it was the ninth doctor.
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Old August 11 2013, 10:53 PM   #23
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^Well, technically the word "canon" does not mean "right" or "real," regardless of how fandom abuses it. It just means the core work from the original creators or franchise owners as opposed to derivative works such as licensed tie-ins or fan fiction.
What? The word just has multiple meanings. Like when everybody refers to the Western literary canon. That use wouldn't fit in with either of your definitions.
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Old August 11 2013, 11:17 PM   #24
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^Of course the word has many definitions -- as I said, it's originally from the church. But that's its primary meaning as applied to franchise fiction, as originated by Sherlock Holmes fandom -- as a term for the core material itself as distinct from its tie-ins, adaptations, and fan fiction.
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Old August 11 2013, 11:30 PM   #25
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The meaning of words change over time, that's how language has always evolved. You're seriously pissing in to the wind if you think it's in anyway incorrect to use the word canon in the way people in this thread have.

Personally, I don't care either way as I choose my own canon. No way am I including End of Time but not numerous novels and audios of great quality.
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Old August 11 2013, 11:36 PM   #26
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I was wondering what people thought of the non-canonical Doctor Who. I've seen "scream of the shalka," but wasn't particularly impressed, either by the story itself or the Doctor in it. I've never seen the Peter Cushing doctor who movies, and have no idea what the fandom view of them wad, but I'm curious.
You should take a look at Doctor Who Magazine #462, which has a big rundown of almost every "non-canonical" Doctor.
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Old August 12 2013, 12:17 AM   #27
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The meaning of words change over time, that's how language has always evolved. You're seriously pissing in to the wind if you think it's in anyway incorrect to use the word canon in the way people in this thread have.
Pointing out that a definition exists is not the same as endorsing it to the exclusion of all others. You seemed to be unfamiliar with the usage I was explaining (you asked "What?" as if you'd never heard it before), so I was attempting to offer clarification. (Perhaps a usage that's well-known in Star Trek circles is less familiar to Doctor Who fandom for the reasons discussed above?) The last thing I want is to get dragged into another tedious online debate about the meaning of canon.
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Old August 12 2013, 12:37 AM   #28
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Don't be so patronising man, Christ. I am familiar with its usage in that way as I engage with the literary community. I've also seen it in other ways, and it's primarily used in the sci-fi/fantasy community as a way of referring to official continuity. Nobody is making a mistake here.
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Old August 12 2013, 01:33 AM   #29
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^Well, you asked "What?" That sounded to me like unfamiliarity, so I was just trying to help. I'm not accusing anyone of making a mistake, so I don't know why you're being so defensive. In point of fact, I was having a perfectly civil and productive conversation with Andrew Kearley on the subject, and then you took it upon yourself to barge in and address me in this confrontational manner, which frankly I find rather rude.
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There's some Canadian book series called "The Doctor Who Project" or something where it depicts an alternate reality if Doctor Who wasn't cancelled in 1989 and the classic series was still going today.
James Bow's Trenchcoat was the pioneering work in the genre. I believe the first issue of that fanzine came out in 1991. Trenchcoat presented itself as the Target novelizations of Edward Peel-Smith's (and later John Thaw's) seasons as the Doctor, along with fake Radio Times listings and newspaper articles. The Doctor Who Project is following in Bow's footsteps.
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