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Old August 10 2013, 11:05 PM   #676
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Re: Season FOUR OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

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WHAAAAT?!!!

Just kidding. I must have momentarily forgotten your reason for that. You don't like TNG, you don't have a Blu-ray player/HDTV or you don't have the money?
I have a blu-ray player, and I even bought the complete TOS, but in the last few years I've started to question my need to own any movies at all. As much money as I spent on TOS (admittedly a steal compared to the old VHS prices of $12.99 an episode), I can stream it in HD on Netflix anytime I want for $10 a month. I can stream all the Trek series and films all I want, as well as other things I like, like the Twilight Zone in HD. I just can't justify the expense anymore. All my movies have ended up in storage, donated, or, in the case of my TOS sets, at my dad's house. Of course, TNG in HD available yet for streaming, but sure enough, it will be one of these days.

Even aside from that, I'm just not much of a Trek fan anymore. It's still fun to come here, though, and talk about something that was a big part of my past, as well as to see what's going on in Trek today.
Okay, I remember you expressing that before... it's all starting to come back to me now.

The only problem I have with streaming (other than the higher compression and lower fidelity audio), is that things come and go willy-nilly. You know, contracts expire and these streaming companies may eventually decide that something isn't quite popular enough to justify wasting server space and bandwidth on... and it'll just go away. Like forever.

I enjoy Netflix and use it just as you do, but as a supplement only. Right now (since you bring it up) it's kind of bizarre that Netflix is only letting us watch the first two seasons of the classic Twilight Zone. What happened to Seasons 3-5? You got me! Let's say it's just a momentary thing and they'll be back... but say I really wanted to watch the episode "To Serve Man" right now. That's incredibly annoying that I can't do that. But, see, if I own the whole series on Blu-ray, I never have to worry about that happening. With streaming only, you're giving up total control to a company who's more interested in the bottom line and key demographics then any particular viewer's idiosyncratic interests. It's not uncommon for them to shed thousands of titles at a time. Poof! Gone!
Yeah, Netflix AV quality doesn't even come close to cutting it for me, particularly on an elaborate home theatre system - it really isn't so great. Also, I really like owning the films and TV content I really love, especially Star Trek!
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Old August 10 2013, 11:14 PM   #677
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All my movies have ended up in storage, donated, or, in the case of my TOS sets, at my dad's house. Of course, TNG in HD available yet for streaming, but sure enough, it will be one of these days.
If you can find the sampler for cheap, you should pick it up. TNG in HD is great to see.
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Old August 11 2013, 12:07 AM   #678
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Hi guys. I have been reading here along for already quite a while, but with all this discussion about TNG-R going on here, I felt urged to join So first of all, I could not find any Redemption Thread, so I think I just post here. Since I do not own Season 4 yet (I'm waiting for the Italien version to arrive, it's the cheapest offer available for us Germans), I imported Redemption from the US to get a first glimpse at Season 4 material.

On the whole, I am once again very impressed with the overall quality of the episode and the remastering, in particular the colors and sharpness. BUT: What TrekCore described as occasionally crushed blacks really left quite a negative impression on me. Maybe my equipment is not the best and maybe it is just my subjective perception, but compared to the remastered version of "Yesterday's Enterprise" which was also a rather dark episode, the black and dark colors lacked detail in almost all instances. Especially visible, or should I say not visible, in scenes where uniforms and dark hair basically "melt" into the space background.

While this is nowhere near as bad as the DNR issue in Season 2, this is definitely something I do not wish to see in the seasons to come, and it is a CBS-D issue. Considering how much effort was, rightfully, spent on pointing out the weaknesses of HTVs season 2 work and now also of what Modern Video did for Season 4, even down to the blurriness of a single shot, it is surprising to me how little complaints I read about this black level problem. From TrekCore, I could not expect much criticism in that direction because, considering all the exclusive material in their database, that site could be closed down any minute if CBS wished to do so, but I honestly expected more debate about this here and elsewhere. Am I really just the only person that is bugged by this enough to make this a major complaint? Besides, the blurriness of that enterprise flyby shot early on in this episode was far less distracting for me.
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Old August 11 2013, 12:37 PM   #679
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There is no debate, CBS digital releases a product you either buy it or not. That is where your "say" comes in. They don't need to hear from a a bunch of anal trek fans on their individual soapboxes as to what is "wrong" with the remasters. They would never get the project done.

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Old August 11 2013, 03:30 PM   #680
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There is no debate,
Very funny, just going through the Season 2 thread again. After all, debate is what we are here for, aren't we? Or we might as well call this place "CBS fanclub". To be honest, it annoys me a little that the companys to which the project has been outsourced get so much negative criticism, even if justified, while CBS-Ds work is constantly praised to heaven. Granted, HTV did mess it up, but I believe those guys at blu-ray.com that this was at least as much CBS fault than it was HTVs fault, considering the amount of time, money and experience they had to finish their work.

Now CBS-D had enough time to improve their workflow, so I do not regard me as an anal trek fan by asking them to pay attention to correct colors and contrasts. And bad color correction and contrast is not limited to single messed up shots which appear in abundance in season 2, it is something that affects every scene and thus affects the quality of the whole product. Not saying Redemption is bad work by any means, but compared to many minor mistakes that were debated to death in Season 2, the lack of criticism to the crushed blacks (a few guys here actually mentioned them in their comments on Season 4) did surprise me.
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Old August 11 2013, 04:42 PM   #681
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I enjoy Netflix and use it just as you do, but as a supplement only. Right now (since you bring it up) it's kind of bizarre that Netflix is only letting us watch the first two seasons of the classic Twilight Zone. What happened to Seasons 3-5? You got me!
Yeah, I noticed that a couple nights ago. Even before, they weren't streaming the hour-long episodes. But I've also got Hulu Plus, and they have the entire series. And even if they didn't, I could just order the discs and still watch the whole series.

Let's say it's just a momentary thing and they'll be back... but say I really wanted to watch the episode "To Serve Man" right now. That's incredibly annoying that I can't do that.
It's true that I may not be able to watch exactly what I want exactly when I want. In the case of "To Serve Man" I'd have to order the disc and then wait for it to get shipped. I'd still get to watch it, even though the instant gratification isn't always there for me. I can wait.

But, see, if I own the whole series on Blu-ray, I never have to worry about that happening. With streaming only, you're giving up total control to a company who's more interested in the bottom line and key demographics then any particular viewer's idiosyncratic interests. It's not uncommon for them to shed thousands of titles at a time. Poof! Gone!
That's true, but the way I look at it, for the price of the Blu-ray set I could take one of my kids to a movie, or do something like that that I'd rather do.
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If you can find the sampler for cheap, you should pick it up. TNG in HD is great to see.
Oh, I did pick up the sampler. And yes, it is amazing, especially "Farpoint." I think the lighting to the early seasons is much better than that of the later seasons, and as a result I think the first season probably has benefitted the most from the HD treatment. Certainly, "Farpoint" looked fantastic.
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Old August 11 2013, 04:55 PM   #682
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I finally started Season 4 last night and watched Best of Both Worlds, Family and Brothers. There was a poster who said a week or so ago that the outside shots are really bringing out the beauty of these sets and I could not agree more. I was watching Family and when they pulled back and showed us the Vineyard, that shot was just simply amazing. As for the episode, I forgot how awesome this episode was, and how it served as a welcome and necessary epilogue to Best of Both Worlds.
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Old August 11 2013, 05:38 PM   #683
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Oh, I did pick up the sampler. And yes, it is amazing, especially "Farpoint." I think the lighting to the early seasons is much better than that of the later seasons, and as a result I think the first season probably has benefitted the most from the HD treatment. Certainly, "Farpoint" looked fantastic.
I'm of the opinion that seasons one and two look far better than season three in HD (haven't picked up four yet). It just seems light the lighting is way too bright in three.
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Old August 11 2013, 06:18 PM   #684
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I'm of the opinion that seasons one and two look far better than season three in HD (haven't picked up four yet). It just seems light the lighting is way too bright in three.
Yeah it's definitely a lot brighter in these last two seasons (especially on the Bridge, where there's not a shadow to be found anymore), but I think the way the colors really pop off the screen now makes up for that quite a bit.
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Old August 11 2013, 07:37 PM   #685
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Just watched In Theory, in the scene where the ensign falls through the floor and is killed, there is a trickle of blood coming of of her nose. Never saw that before. Los of great exterior shots in this episode.
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Old August 11 2013, 07:59 PM   #686
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Does the starship graveyard scene in BOBW II look any better? Are the CGI versions of the ships any different than the originals?
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Old August 11 2013, 08:34 PM   #687
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Oh, I did pick up the sampler. And yes, it is amazing, especially "Farpoint." I think the lighting to the early seasons is much better than that of the later seasons, and as a result I think the first season probably has benefitted the most from the HD treatment. Certainly, "Farpoint" looked fantastic.
I'm of the opinion that seasons one and two look far better than season three in HD (haven't picked up four yet). It just seems light the lighting is way too bright in three.
For me, season 5 marks the beginning of a new, somewhat "wishy-washy" style on TNG from so many perspectives. The insipid "muzak", the overly bright set lighting, washed out colour pallette, and, IMHO, a more "by the numbers" approach to the photography. It all added an unnecessary veneer of blandness.
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Old August 11 2013, 09:36 PM   #688
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Of course, TNG in HD available yet for streaming, but sure enough, it will be one of these days.
Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG can be streamed from Amazon Prime in HD and they are available for purchase from Amazon, Vudu and iTunes.
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Old August 11 2013, 10:40 PM   #689
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There is no debate, CBS digital releases a product you either buy it or not. That is where your "say" comes in. They don't need to hear from a a bunch of anal trek fans on their individual soapboxes as to what is "wrong" with the remasters. They would never get the project done.

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It's not nearly as futile as you suggest and CBS's attitude is not, "Buy it or not, we don't give a toss what you [the fans] think!" If it were, we never would have gotten discs 1, 3, 4 & 5 replaced in the S1 set... or the music corrected in BOBW, Part II. These corrections were the direct result of so-called "anal" fans (I would call them proactive) noticing something was wrong and bringing it to the proper people's attention at CBS.

On the contrary, it shows that certain fans really care about the product and that CBS cares too.
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I watched "Legacy" today (for the first time in about 20 years), and noticed some bad compression artifacts in a scene in Engineering. Has anyone else picked up on that? Also, the visual effects in this episode looked a bit ropey - blurry transporter and phaser effects. It's a surprisingly visual-effects heavy episode, so I wonder if the FX artists had less time than usual to finish this one.

On the plus side, I really appreciated the increased picture quality during any scenes with Ishara Yar...
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