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Old August 9 2013, 08:19 PM   #106
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Am I the only one that thinks III should feature a new-build, slightly less war-oriented version of the ship in standard Starfleet colors named Excelsior?
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Old August 9 2013, 08:20 PM   #107
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Am I the only one that thinks III should feature a new-build, slightly less war-oriented version of the ship in standard Starfleet colors named Excelsior?
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Old August 9 2013, 09:13 PM   #108
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Am I the only one that thinks III should feature a new-build, slightly less war-oriented version of the ship in standard Starfleet colors named Excelsior?
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+1 Shame they didn't finish the STII/STIII homage and have the Vengeance be the Excelsior.

One thing that bugs me (a very very little, just sticks out now and then): What's up with the center cut out of the saucer? What purpose, beyond looking cool, does it server? Granted it makes the Vengeance look like something out of STO, but beyond that...well why?
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Old August 11 2013, 08:25 PM   #109
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Supposedly, the big bad cannon swung down from there. And the order that Marcus gave to get the cannon lowered was "aft torpedoes", which basically only makes sense if he was ordering steerable torpedo launchers to fire aft...

The fancy launchers apparently are a rare and expensive resource, and the ship can only carry two, so it makes sense to cut pieces out of the ship to give these weapons the widest possible cones of fire. (Or at least this is a rationalization that has some hope of holding water, unless future screencaps reveal that the launchers cannot make such use of the hole after all!)

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One thing that bugs me (a very very little, just sticks out now and then): What's up with the center cut out of the saucer? What purpose, beyond looking cool, does it server? Granted it makes the Vengeance look like something out of STO, but beyond that...well why?
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Old August 11 2013, 09:39 PM   #111
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Am I the only one that thinks III should feature a new-build, slightly less war-oriented version of the ship in standard Starfleet colors named Excelsior?
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+1 Shame they didn't finish the STII/STIII homage and have the Vengeance be the Excelsior.

One thing that bugs me (a very very little, just sticks out now and then): What's up with the center cut out of the saucer? What purpose, beyond looking cool, does it server? Granted it makes the Vengeance look like something out of STO, but beyond that...well why?
The interior of the cut appears to contain several small shuttlebays, probably intended to house troop transports or fighter craft. That the bridge is in a pod in the center of this suggests that the "main bridge" is just one of several control centers there, with some lower levels containing a CIC and/or approach control tower to help direct local traffic (like the pri-fly on an aircraft carrier's island).

The large bays on the secondary hull may also be meant for fighters and shuttles but I would guess are probably meant to store hundreds of ground vehicles used by infantry units.
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Old August 12 2013, 04:49 PM   #112
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In a way, it makes sense to have your troop debarkation craft housed near where your troops live, leaving the secondary hull bay for standard shuttles and fighters.

I suppose the only reason for having hull cut-outs at all is because you want more edge real estate, and the only logical reason for that is to have either more windows or more doors.
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Old August 13 2013, 02:08 PM   #113
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It's a big ship, (1400+ Meters z0mg that is too bigz for the crude 23rd century techz!) instead of having to fly dozens of craft nearly a mile to the back of the ship, you can enter the middle of the saucer.
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Old August 13 2013, 04:34 PM   #114
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Yeah, but navigating around the island and into the saucer cutout to land would suck a bit. At the least it would be awkward.
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Old August 13 2013, 04:50 PM   #115
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^ No more so than parking in the Enterprise shuttlebay.

And noticeably less so than landing on a real-world aircraft carrier.
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Old August 13 2013, 05:02 PM   #116
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Yeah, but navigating around the island and into the saucer cutout to land would suck a bit. At the least it would be awkward.
If 10-20 shuttles wanted to land by conventional means (the back of the ship with one single entrance) you will have the "after you sir, nooo after you sir" situation. A queue of shuttles cost valuable time.

If you have ring of shuttle bays in the saucer it could concurrently land all shuttles, and much more than a single entrance on the secondary hull could dream of.

Failing this, I just think the cutaway looks cool anyway.
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Old August 13 2013, 05:02 PM   #117
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Eh, you're right. I stand corrected.
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Old August 17 2013, 03:23 PM   #118
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I think the thing we can all agree on is the fact that the USS Vengeance from Star Trek Into Darkness was awesome looking.
I was pretty underwhelmed. It looked like something out of Berman Trek. It was cool seeing it crash, though.
Yes! Why are we back to gunmetal gray? Definitely felt like a step backward for the franchise.

If they wanted to go for something truly impressive, how about black? I'm thinking about current stealth technology, moreover the Monitor from Shatner's novels. Consider the awesomeness of a ship difficult for an enemy to see even under normal running. Cinematic challenges (how could the audience see it?) could be addressed by sunlight/starlight reflecivity... or just shots where thing self illuminates, or for dramatic purposes, you don't know its even there until you notice something obstructing distant stars. With some imagination, there's tons of potential here. Wasted IMO on Vengeance, which looked like a generic Sovereign design.

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Old August 17 2013, 05:40 PM   #119
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I'm not sure that a starship's color makes any difference. Sensors can still pick it up. Unless it has a cloaking device, in which case color wouldn't matter anyway.
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Old August 17 2013, 08:39 PM   #120
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Well, maybe the dark color is indicative of some sort of detection-resistant coating, similar to our modern-day stealth aircraft.
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