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Old August 8 2013, 05:54 PM   #16
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I'm confused? I haven't seen the movie, but, tthe previews lead me to believe this movie is about an upper class living in a Utopia on a moon or in orbit or something, while the rest of society lives in the Ghetto called Earth, right?

How does that in anyway send a message of Socialism, lack of classes, Universal Healthcare, and every other liberal "Wet Dream" agenda?
Right, it does not seem to be much different than many science fiction dystopian settings.

Star Trek has had similar stories multiple times. Blade Runner or the Alien series have similar settings. Robocop and Gattaca also come to mind immediately, as does the Matrix. I am sure there are plenty of other, more appropriate, examples.

Also, this is the same guy who did District 9 which was an allegory for apartheid but still a suspense thriller.
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Old August 8 2013, 06:01 PM   #17
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Damon is another hot button in terms of the 'Hollywood Hypocrites,' with conservatives. Damon is a big time advocate for public education yet sends his own children to private schools.
Can't say I blame him though. His kids would be an easy target for unsavory types due to his fame.

Any wide-release movie that makes rich people/right-wingers sweat is a good thing in my book.
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Old August 8 2013, 06:08 PM   #18
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On an unrelated note, unless Elysium does well - really well - and I was a movie executive at Sony - I'd start to polish my resume.


Elysium” is here. The Neill Blomkamp sci-fi release premiered last night in New York. If you love sci-fi, you’re going to love this intensely stylized movie starring Matt Damon in his most physical role yet. Will it do well? The jury is out. But if “Elysium” is considered a failure, this may spell serious trouble for Sony Pictures chiefs Amy Pascal and Michael Lynton. They’ve had a bad summer with “After Earth” and “White House Down.” Normally, it wouldn’t matter. But two days ago rebel stockholder Daniel Loeb of Third Point investors issued another one of his veiled threats against Pascal and Lynton. He wrote: “We find it perplexing that [Sony CEO] Mr. Hirai does not worry about a division that has just released 2013’s versions of Waterworld and Ishtar back to back, instead giving free passes to Sony Pictures Entertainment Co CEO’s Michael Lynton and Amy Pascal, the executives responsible for these debacles…”
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Old August 8 2013, 06:38 PM   #19
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From the reviews so far, it seems the main problem isn't so much the message, as it is the extreme heavy-handedness. Apparently the rich on the station are all being portrayed as cruel and evil and uncaring, and the poor on the planet are all pure and noble and good. Which, if true, I can definitely see as being a problem.

Even as liberal as I am, I would hope both sides would be presented in a slightly more balanced and realistic way than that.
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Old August 8 2013, 06:44 PM   #20
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Even as liberal as I am, I would hope both sides would be presented in a slightly more balanced and realistic way than that.
Also, talk about a stereotype - Foster's character has a very German accent.
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Old August 8 2013, 06:46 PM   #21
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From the reviews so far, it seems the main problem isn't so much the message, as it is the extreme heavy-handedness. Apparently the rich on the station are all being portrayed as cruel and evil and uncaring, and the poor on the planet are all pure and noble and good. Which, if true, I can definitely see as being a problem.

Even as liberal as I am, I would hope both sides would be presented in a slightly more balanced and realistic way than that.
From the trailers they are so pure that Damon fights robots, thus not killing mooks, mercenaries or even the 1 percent until the other cyborg shows up while the rich just shot down refugees rather then stopping them and returning them to earth.
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Old August 8 2013, 06:56 PM   #22
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From the trailers they are so pure that Damon fights robots, thus not killing mooks, mercenaries or even the 1 percent until the other cyborg shows up while the rich just shot down refugees rather then stopping them and returning them to earth.
In short if true, this film will be District 9 in reverse. In District 9 most of the humans are the evil ones whereas the aliens are the ones subjugated [the small 1%]. In Elysium the 99% are the have nots and the 1% are the evil ones.

Blomkamp must like rinse repeating the same plot structure.
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Old August 8 2013, 07:02 PM   #23
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From the reviews so far, it seems the main problem isn't so much the message, as it is the extreme heavy-handedness. Apparently the rich on the station are all being portrayed as cruel and evil and uncaring, and the poor on the planet are all pure and noble and good. Which, if true, I can definitely see as being a problem.

Even as liberal as I am, I would hope both sides would be presented in a slightly more balanced and realistic way than that.
Yes, none of us have actually discussed the quality of the film itself yet. Based on District 9 though, I am definitely interested in giving this movie a try.
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Old August 8 2013, 07:04 PM   #24
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Yes, none of us have actually discussed the quality of the film itself yet. Based on District 9 though, I am definitely interested in giving this movie a try.
Oh definately here too as a sci-fi fan. In fact, I'll give it the full treatment, IMAX - good or bad reviews.
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Old August 8 2013, 07:45 PM   #25
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So a filmmaker expresses a political opinion in a film. Holy shit.

Could we please start to distinguish between a piece of entertainment and politics?

A successful science fiction film is not going to ruin anyone's election campaign, which is what FoxNews is apparently afraid of and why they criticize it so vehemently.
The hope with THEY LIVE! is that it would influence the 88 election in favor of ANYbody but the Reps, but it came out the same week (3 days late I think), so there was no time for it to do anything of the sort.

Oliver Stone had a film he wanted to make about IranContra but once it was clear it wouldn't finish in time for the 88 election, he bailed on it.

There's a book from several years back I need to get that explores how US intel has had fingers in all the studios since WW2 to keep anybody from putting real good spin out in a timely manner. Unfortunately the HC goes for about 80 bucks.
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Old August 8 2013, 08:16 PM   #26
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From the reviews so far, it seems the main problem isn't so much the message, as it is the extreme heavy-handedness. Apparently the rich on the station are all being portrayed as cruel and evil and uncaring, and the poor on the planet are all pure and noble and good. Which, if true, I can definitely see as being a problem.
Even as liberal as I am, I would hope both sides would be presented in a slightly more balanced and realistic way than that.
Yes, none of us have actually discussed the quality of the film itself yet. Based on District 9 though, I am definitely interested in giving this movie a try.
Well for a few more hours the 99 percent of us can only talk about the political controversy, unless animals were killed in the production. It is the thing which the OP asked for in the thread title.
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Old August 9 2013, 01:55 AM   #27
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Damon is another hot button in terms of the 'Hollywood Hypocrites,' with conservatives. Damon is a big time advocate for public education yet sends his own children to private schools.
It would be hypocrisy if he didn't pay his local taxes which support public schools. I can afford to use FedEx and UPS, that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for supporting the Post Office.
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Old August 9 2013, 01:58 AM   #28
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Damon is another hot button in terms of the 'Hollywood Hypocrites,' with conservatives. Damon is a big time advocate for public education yet sends his own children to private schools.
It would be hypocrisy if he didn't pay his local taxes which support public schools. I can afford to use FedEx and UPS, that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for supporting the Post Office.
Yeah, given that he is a celebrity sending his kids to public school would be kind of reckless so I can't blame him for using private schools.
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Old August 9 2013, 02:04 AM   #29
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From the reviews so far, it seems the main problem isn't so much the message, as it is the extreme heavy-handedness. Apparently the rich on the station are all being portrayed as cruel and evil and uncaring,

and the poor on the planet are all pure and noble and good. Which, if true, I can definitely see as being a problem.
Studies have shown that this isn't a caricature

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...me-and-ethics/

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...thical/254689/
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Damon is another hot button in terms of the 'Hollywood Hypocrites,' with conservatives. Damon is a big time advocate for public education yet sends his own children to private schools.
It would be hypocrisy if he didn't pay his local taxes which support public schools. I can afford to use FedEx and UPS, that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite for supporting the Post Office.
Yeah, given that he is a celebrity sending his kids to public school would be kind of reckless so I can't blame him for using private schools.
Good point

Also public services exist to make sure everybody have access to the bare minimum of necessary services (like education). Demanding better public education while using a private school is not hypocritical. It's about caring for the less fortunate.
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