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Old August 1 2013, 10:27 PM   #91
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Re: The Official Deleted/Alternate Material Thread

I kind of wish there was an HD versions of the alternate ending from Nemesis to use in my fan edit of the film as I really liked that ending better than the one we got.
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Old August 1 2013, 10:36 PM   #92
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I kind of wish there was an HD versions of the alternate ending from Nemesis to use in my fan edit of the film as I really liked that ending better than the one we got.
I am just grateful that we GOT 11 deleted scenes from Nemesis and wish we had deleted scenes sections from TWOK TSFS, TUC, TVH and FC.
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Old August 1 2013, 10:38 PM   #93
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From an interview conducted with De Kelley in 1989. This is from a Star Trek magazine I bought off Ebay. It came out right after movie V and De Kelley discusses some cut scenes in the movie

Just going to quote De's entire response to this because I think what he has to say about his feelings on the cuts are interesting:



Did You Enjoy the Location Shooting

Yes but so much of what we shot was cut out. We had some spectacular shots up at Yosemite and it was very disappointing that they weren't used. I had been in the hospital 4 1/2 weeks before shooting and I went up there looking skinnier than ever! I think they had great concern for me and they decided to double me on horse work, which we never saw in the film.

We spent a lot of time climbing very high peaks which were not soft dirt but shale. All three of us were doing this and we were going up and down these peaks and all you see of us in the film is one quick shot of us coming around the corner and down a hill. But they filmed us going all the way up and coming back down and we did this several times, "My God, where did all that go?" We did a lot of work and some of it was all-night shooting.

Another scene that I was disappointed was completely cut out was a very brief but I thought it was a good scene. When we're at war down on the planet with the people of Paradise City, one of our men is shot in the leg and Spock and I pull him off to the side. I pull out this "gizmo" that I have and cut his pants leg open and there's a hole in his leg because they're using these antiquated bullets- they were balls or marbles actually. But I put this "gizmo" over his leg and it sucks the bullet out and I catch it and hand it to him and say, "Here's a souvenir for you! Now stay off that leg for at least two minutes!"

It was just a quick moment but Harve was very high on that scene and so was I. I thought it was going to bring a wonderful laugh and it was a cute, clever idea, plus it was typical McCoy. It wasn't in the movie so I called Ralph Winter and he said, "De, when we got it together it just didn't work." Evidently they had screened it somewhere and it just didn't work. I still can't understand why. Maybe it was in the shooting of the scene or the editing.
No matter what excuse Bennett used it was $.

That effect of the device removing the projectile from the soldiers leg would have been a complicated, expensive optical in 1989 and the FX team was behind, inexperienced and incompetant. They weren't going to worry about that little scene when the FX for the entire movie were in a shambles.
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Old August 1 2013, 10:45 PM   #94
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I found it!

The Sept, 28 1987 promo for TSFS on ABC TV

"Star Trek 3--football zero." LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pokCwGBxZjw

Tell me it's not a riot when after the announcer says, "No football tonight." they cut to Kirk---"I'm on my way!" LOL

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Old August 1 2013, 11:40 PM   #95
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From an interview conducted with De Kelley in 1989. This is from a Star Trek magazine I bought off Ebay. It came out right after movie V and De Kelley discusses some cut scenes in the movie

Just going to quote De's entire response to this because I think what he has to say about his feelings on the cuts are interesting:



Did You Enjoy the Location Shooting

Yes but so much of what we shot was cut out. We had some spectacular shots up at Yosemite and it was very disappointing that they weren't used. I had been in the hospital 4 1/2 weeks before shooting and I went up there looking skinnier than ever! I think they had great concern for me and they decided to double me on horse work, which we never saw in the film.

We spent a lot of time climbing very high peaks which were not soft dirt but shale. All three of us were doing this and we were going up and down these peaks and all you see of us in the film is one quick shot of us coming around the corner and down a hill. But they filmed us going all the way up and coming back down and we did this several times, "My God, where did all that go?" We did a lot of work and some of it was all-night shooting.

Another scene that I was disappointed was completely cut out was a very brief but I thought it was a good scene. When we're at war down on the planet with the people of Paradise City, one of our men is shot in the leg and Spock and I pull him off to the side. I pull out this "gizmo" that I have and cut his pants leg open and there's a hole in his leg because they're using these antiquated bullets- they were balls or marbles actually. But I put this "gizmo" over his leg and it sucks the bullet out and I catch it and hand it to him and say, "Here's a souvenir for you! Now stay off that leg for at least two minutes!"

It was just a quick moment but Harve was very high on that scene and so was I. I thought it was going to bring a wonderful laugh and it was a cute, clever idea, plus it was typical McCoy. It wasn't in the movie so I called Ralph Winter and he said, "De, when we got it together it just didn't work." Evidently they had screened it somewhere and it just didn't work. I still can't understand why. Maybe it was in the shooting of the scene or the editing.
No matter what excuse Bennett used it was $.

That effect of the device removing the projectile from the soldiers leg would have been a complicated, expensive optical in 1989 and the FX team was behind, inexperienced and incompetant. They weren't going to worry about that little scene when the FX for the entire movie were in a shambles.
Doubtful that there was an optical even needed, anymore than there was for Chekov scooping or beaming dried blood up in TUC. Just a sound effect. I'm sure it was just cut for time, when Bennett tightened Shatner's cut by trimming the opening and the battle scenes way down.

And I'd much prefer seeing the longer versions of those ... when you hear Goldsmith's full score, it definitely hints at something longer during the PTS.

BTW, they farmed out a lot of opticals to the always reliable VCE (a company used for TWOK and TUC as well.) In fact, the one effect I was looking forward to in TFF -- based on the images he'd done for the end of ALTERED STATES -- was Ferren doing a beam-up, but all of the transporter stuff was done by VCE instead.
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Old August 1 2013, 11:50 PM   #96
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The script direction says McCoy waves the device over the soldiers leg and the projectile magically exits the wound or something like that---that whole point of the scene was to show the modern method of removing a 'bullet' not just for the audience to "hear' a sound effect.
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Old August 2 2013, 01:04 AM   #97
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^ It sounds to me that the scene would have been similar in purpose to the scene in Voyage Home when McCoy cures the old ladies kidney issues with the punch line being the guy will be fine in 2 minutes

It sounds like a cute scene that I think they could have done without fancy FX. That being said as it is an unnecessary scene I can see why it was cut.
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Old August 2 2013, 03:27 AM   #98
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^ It sounds to me that the scene would have been similar in purpose to the scene in Voyage Home when McCoy cures the old ladies kidney issues with the punch line being the guy will be fine in 2 minutes

It sounds like a cute scene that I think they could have done without fancy FX. That being said as it is an unnecessary scene I can see why it was cut.

Of course, it wasn't essential to the movie, but in a movie that is loaded with a lot of pure crap--it actually could have been decent and replaced something that wasn't!

Anyway, perhaps someday we'll get a chance to see for ourselves.
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Old August 2 2013, 03:55 AM   #99
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I really appreciate all of the info you guys are dishing out. I'm going to very quickly try to turn this thread into a blog.
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Old August 2 2013, 09:50 AM   #100
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Alternate open for SFS is the one that starts with GRISSOM over Genesis, as in script.
TSFS was advertised in fall 1987 as 'coming to ABC this season, first time on network TV.

Then came the 1987 NFL players strike and they rushed TSFS and other movies to fill the "Monday Night Football" timeslots on ABC.

They even used the slogan "Star trek 3--NFL zero that week.

But the fact that they rushed TSFS to air months before it normally would have (after the NFL season ended, when they had 'Monday Night at the Movies in that same timeslot.)---
caused two things to happen...

1. Instead of them asking Paramount for extra footage to fill the 2 and a half hour timeslot--they realized there was no time to pick and re-edit the movie with additional scenes like they did for TMP and TWOK, so.........

2. Instead they butchered the TSFS by cutting OUT 15 minutes of footage to squeeze it into a two hour time slot.

They simply and insanely lopped off the opening kirk & co bridge scene and the first Klingon scene and STARTED the movie with the Grissom!!

I was sickened. I was praying to see 10 or so new minutes of footage and they just chopped whole sections of the movie out because they had no time to logically and carefully edit individual scenes.

So it was NOT a 'alternate' opening--simply the removal of the opening 5 minutes of the movie completely!
Well, IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088170/alternateversions) report it differently but I surely trust your memory more:

"An early ABC-TV broadcast had the flashbacks of Spock's Death and the opening scene of Captain Kirk on the Enterprise bridge cut for time constraints. Instead the opening fades in on Spock's tube being loaded for launch and then after the opening credits, it switches straight to the scenes between the freighter and the Klingon ship followed by the Enterprise's arrival at Earth."

However the question remains: aside from the cut scenes are there any alternate scenes on the television version?

As far as I know there is no "Director's Edition" of TSFS, it's identical to the theatrical version.

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Old August 2 2013, 02:06 PM   #101
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^^That quote sounds right.

They saved a good 5 minutes by cutting the death scene flashback and the opening Kirk log entry/bridge talk.

I defer to that writer whether they left in the Kruge/valkris scene as opposed to starting with Grissom.

I do know for sure they didn't insert any deleted scenes or alternate takes because that is something I was looking for and the only reason I tuned in as I already had the movie on VHS tape.
Plus in my long-winded earlier post I mentioned that they rushed TSFS to air a good 5 months before it was originally meant to because normally "Monday Night at the Movies" on ABC started in February and they probably didn't have time to get any alternate/deleted stuff from Paramount like they did for the first 2 movies.
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Old August 3 2013, 03:23 AM   #102
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But someone must have a color VHS copy, since excerpts are on YouTube
Not necessarily. The footage on Youtube is the "presentation reel", a long teaser trailer in mini-documentary form, introduced by Shatner's narration, and created expressly for screening at the ShoWest convention.
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Old August 7 2013, 06:29 PM   #103
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ST III was actually rejiggered very late in the editing process - check out either of the adaptations (comic or novelization) and it's clear the film was meant to lead off with Grissom arriving at the Genesis planet, then cut to the Enterprise, back to Genesis, then back to the Enterprise. That's why the special effect shot of Grissom has the stardate subtitle -- it was supposed to appear immediately after the opening titles.

I wonder if test audiences were asking who those people were on the Grissom, leading the studio/producers to decide to lead off with Kirk's log entry. I've always wanted to see that version, to see how it would play.
I'm not sure how friendly this site is towards fanedits, but you might be interested in seeing bionicbob's edit of the film. He starts it out with Grissom arriving at Genesis, and continues from there, much as how it is described above. I found I preferred the way he arranged the scenes.
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Old August 7 2013, 06:38 PM   #104
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This isn't one of the fan edits that stupidly tries to cut them into TOS episodes, is it? I wouldn't assume so.

It does sound like a good idea, it seems like the final edit was kinda rushed together. Plus, the music sounds like it would match the original edit.
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So, one member of this thread once stated that he had seen the TVH work print, any reports on that?
I was shown the ST IV workprint at UIP's theatrette in Sydney. It was after the US premiere but before the Sydney gala preview of the theatrical release.

It had uncorrected Klingon ship FX - eg. a little square frame followed with the ship model as it performed its slingshot around the sun, complete with a guy pumping bellows to emit smoke! Similarly, the Probe moved through space surrounded by a large rectangle.

Lots of "scene missing" FX slides.

And temporary closing credits that had the actors' faces in circles, IIRC.

No "additional footage".
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