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Old August 6 2013, 10:38 PM   #31
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Second series of TW was so much better than the first, mainly because the show relaxed a bit, realised it was a bit shit, and actually became quite comfortable.

With regard to series 1 a friend once said;

Sarah Jane Adventures, written by adults for 14 year olds
Torchwood, written by 14 year olds for adults...
And that's why Sarah Jane Adventures is infinitely more watchable than Torchwood. SJA is one of the best children's shows of all time, because it treats children with intelligence and does it so well that adults get just as much out of it.
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Old August 6 2013, 10:53 PM   #32
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'xactly.

I miss the Sarah Jane Adventures more than I miss torchwood.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:02 PM   #33
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Re: How do you feel about Torchwood Miracle Day

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Second series of TW was so much better than the first, mainly because the show relaxed a bit, realised it was a bit shit, and actually became quite comfortable.

With regard to series 1 a friend once said;

Sarah Jane Adventures, written by adults for 14 year olds
Torchwood, written by 14 year olds for adults...
And that's why Sarah Jane Adventures is infinitely more watchable than Torchwood. SJA is one of the best children's shows of all time, because it treats children with intelligence and does it so well that adults get just as much out of it.
Okay, that has just got to be the most ridicules thing I've read all day. SJA was a train wreck. I remember one really good two parter which is one of the earlier ones where this friend of Sarah dies, but then something changes time so Sarah died instead. Not sure if anyone can remember that one. But that's one of the only decent SJA stories ever. The only other ones I quite like are the two with the doctor in it. Other than that, the majority of the series sucks. Torchwood is infinitely better than SJA. Plus everything looks so much cheaper on that than it did Torchwood. Everything looked like it cam straight out of the second half of doctor who series 7 (plastic Cybermen for gods sake).

Nope, SJA is not at all that good. Only has a handful of good episodes. With Torchwood, I admit I can' think of much outstanding from the top of my head (okay, how about Cyber Woman?), but the majority of episodes are watchable over and over again. SJA doesn't have that quality. Let me remind you SJA had four full series with one series with one and a half stories, and Torchwood only had two whole series, and two serial series.

Oh also, I just thought of a great episode from Miracle Day. The flashback episode (episode 7 or 8 I think) with Jack and that gay dude. I thought that episode was well written.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:25 PM   #34
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SJA was not only better than Torchwood, it was better than the RTD era of Doctor Who.

Prefer the spookier atmosphere of Dark Shadows though.
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SJA was not only better than Torchwood, it was better than the RTD era of Doctor Who.

Prefer the spookier atmosphere of Dark Shadows though.
That's utterly ludicrous.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:30 PM   #36
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As are 99% of the opinions you express in your posts, so welcome to my world.

As an adult drama, Torchwood was broken, incompetent and subpar. As a children's show, SJA was so far above average it's insane.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:30 PM   #37
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Second series of TW was so much better than the first, mainly because the show relaxed a bit, realised it was a bit shit, and actually became quite comfortable.

With regard to series 1 a friend once said;

Sarah Jane Adventures, written by adults for 14 year olds
Torchwood, written by 14 year olds for adults...
And that's why Sarah Jane Adventures is infinitely more watchable than Torchwood. SJA is one of the best children's shows of all time, because it treats children with intelligence and does it so well that adults get just as much out of it.
Okay, that has just got to be the most ridicules thing I've read all day. SJA was a train wreck. I remember one really good two parter which is one of the earlier ones where this friend of Sarah dies, but then something changes time so Sarah died instead. Not sure if anyone can remember that one. But that's one of the only decent SJA stories ever. The only other ones I quite like are the two with the doctor in it. Other than that, the majority of the series sucks. Torchwood is infinitely better than SJA. Plus everything looks so much cheaper on that than it did Torchwood. Everything looked like it cam straight out of the second half of doctor who series 7 (plastic Cybermen for gods sake).

Nope, SJA is not at all that good. Only has a handful of good episodes. With Torchwood, I admit I can' think of much outstanding from the top of my head (okay, how about Cyber Woman?), but the majority of episodes are watchable over and over again. SJA doesn't have that quality. Let me remind you SJA had four full series with one series with one and a half stories, and Torchwood only had two whole series, and two serial series.

Oh also, I just thought of a great episode from Miracle Day. The flashback episode (episode 7 or 8 I think) with Jack and that gay dude. I thought that episode was well written.
Spoken like an American fourteen year old. Torchwood was a prurient train wreck from day one that only ever became something decent later on -- in spite of RTD. Sarah Jane is brilliant, intelligent, fun and witty. Yeah, the SFX can be a little dodgy, but so can Doctor Who in general, and SJA is much, much more like the classic series in most every respect than anything else of the modern era of Who.

And "Cyberwoman"? Your go to for Torchwood brilliance is one of the absolute worst episodes of the series, man. Series One of Torchwood was so terrible that I haven't gone back to it since it aired. Every horrid moment is forever seered into my brain no matter how much I wish it otherwise. Whereas, Sarah Jane, I just finished watching all five seasons for the second time, and got more out of it than I did the first run through. I expect in about a year's time, I'll watch it again. And I'll happily recommend it to my friends and their kids.

It's obvious from your posts, your take on things and what you like, that you watch with your gonads and don't understand when something is truly intelligent.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:53 PM   #38
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As are 99% of the opinions you express in your posts, so welcome to my world.

As an adult drama, Torchwood was broken, incompetent and subpar. As a children's show, SJA was so far above average it's insane.
I'm not rating Torchwood as an adult drama nor am I rating SJA as a children's one. I am simply rating them as good or bad TV shows. I'm rating them on how enjoyable they are, not what message they tell or some other bull. Now as a childrens drama, you're right, SJA is marvellous in comparison to other kids shows. And Torchwood, maybe not the best example of adult sci-fi and horror. But I'm not grading them for that reason, I'm grading them on how much I enjoy them.
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And that's why Sarah Jane Adventures is infinitely more watchable than Torchwood. SJA is one of the best children's shows of all time, because it treats children with intelligence and does it so well that adults get just as much out of it.
Okay, that has just got to be the most ridicules thing I've read all day. SJA was a train wreck. I remember one really good two parter which is one of the earlier ones where this friend of Sarah dies, but then something changes time so Sarah died instead. Not sure if anyone can remember that one. But that's one of the only decent SJA stories ever. The only other ones I quite like are the two with the doctor in it. Other than that, the majority of the series sucks. Torchwood is infinitely better than SJA. Plus everything looks so much cheaper on that than it did Torchwood. Everything looked like it cam straight out of the second half of doctor who series 7 (plastic Cybermen for gods sake).

Nope, SJA is not at all that good. Only has a handful of good episodes. With Torchwood, I admit I can' think of much outstanding from the top of my head (okay, how about Cyber Woman?), but the majority of episodes are watchable over and over again. SJA doesn't have that quality. Let me remind you SJA had four full series with one series with one and a half stories, and Torchwood only had two whole series, and two serial series.

Oh also, I just thought of a great episode from Miracle Day. The flashback episode (episode 7 or 8 I think) with Jack and that gay dude. I thought that episode was well written.
Spoken like an American fourteen year old. Torchwood was a prurient train wreck from day one that only ever became something decent later on -- in spite of RTD. Sarah Jane is brilliant, intelligent, fun and witty. Yeah, the SFX can be a little dodgy, but so can Doctor Who in general, and SJA is much, much more like the classic series in most every respect than anything else of the modern era of Who.

And "Cyberwoman"? Your go to for Torchwood brilliance is one of the absolute worst episodes of the series, man. Series One of Torchwood was so terrible that I haven't gone back to it since it aired. Every horrid moment is forever seered into my brain no matter how much I wish it otherwise. Whereas, Sarah Jane, I just finished watching all five seasons for the second time, and got more out of it than I did the first run through. I expect in about a year's time, I'll watch it again. And I'll happily recommend it to my friends and their kids.

It's obvious from your posts, your take on things and what you like, that you watch with your gonads and don't understand when something is truly intelligent.
Actually, I'm a British 15 year old now.

Look, we just clearly have very different tastes.

So just because a show is more like classic who than modern who automatically makes it better?
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Old August 7 2013, 12:04 AM   #39
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I'm not rating Torchwood as an adult drama nor am I rating SJA as a children's one. I am simply rating them as good or bad TV shows. I'm rating them on how enjoyable they are, not what message they tell or some other bull. Now as a childrens drama, you're right, SJA is marvellous in comparison to other kids shows. And Torchwood, maybe not the best example of adult sci-fi and horror. But I'm not grading them for that reason, I'm grading them on how much I enjoy them.
And the fact that you enjoy them, or don't, as you do, is a reflection of your youth and inexperience.

Actually, I'm a British 15 year old now.

Look, we just clearly have very different tastes.

So just because a show is more like classic who than modern who automatically makes it better?
No, of course it doesn't. You're my comment out of context, again displaying that you don't really understand it. My statement that Sarah Jane Adventures is more similar to the classic show in many ways than the modern show is simply a reflection of its style, not its value.

My assertion that it is unequivocally better at what it does than Torchwood is, on the other hand, is certainly about quality. When you're older, you may find your opinion of SJA changes.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:10 AM   #40
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The explorations of adult sexuality in Torchwood were so sterile and un-sexy. Immature sequences of Jack going to a bar looking for cock, James Marsters declaring his desire to shag a dog, or Owen awkwardly date-raping people.

On the other hand, Rani in SJA gave me a boner every episode. Yeeaaaaaaaaah.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:11 AM   #41
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Meh not really. Both my parents (both nearing their 60s) love Torchwood (or at least my mother) but not a fan of SJA in the least. My mother prefers Torchwood over Doctor Who itself.

Maybe one day. But I highly doubt it. My family, or at least on my mothers side have always loved dark adult things. We just don't like the kiddy crap.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:13 AM   #42
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The explorations of adult sexuality in Torchwood were so sterile and un-sexy. Immature sequences of Jack going to a bar looking for cock, James Marsters declaring his desire to shag a dog, or Owen awkwardly date-raping people.

On the other hand, Rani in SJA gave me a boner every episode. Yeeaaaaaaaaah.
I liked that edge. Plus that's typical Russell T Davies. It's pretty much his trademark (probably because he's gay himself)

You sick paedophile.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:16 AM   #43
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I liked that edge. Plus that's typical Russell T Davies. It's pretty much his trademark (probably because he's gay himself)
Being gay isn't an excuse for writing tacky, camp material. Plenty of great gay writers have written mature explorations of sexuality.

You sick paedophile.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:22 AM   #44
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Maybe it's all just a matter of taste.

Just when I didn't think you could get any worse, just when I don't think you can say anything more awful, you say this......AND TOTALY REDEEM YOURSELF! xP
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Old August 7 2013, 04:25 AM   #45
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SJA>> Torchwood. I loved that show. I think what made SJA work so well is it's kept the soul of what made Doctor Who so fun. Only it was packaged for children. Torchwood rejected what made Doctor Who charming and instead relied on things that adults would find "appealing". Things like graphic violence, sex, gay relationships, curse words and such. Torchwood kept the alien of the week plot for the first two seasons mostly.

Admittedly I always like Maria over Rani.
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