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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 5 2013, 05:12 AM   #61
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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"Because they're the good guys and they care" just isn't good enough. And it doesn't do the film any good if the heroes care about them but the audience doesn't.
Gotta agree there. "Cause we're the good guys" just doesn't cut it for me with a lot of stories. Especially one as clearly wrong sided as INS.

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I assume of course that you would

a.>Inform them they have to move
b.>Allow them to appeal via the courts
c.>compensate them
Are you native to this planet or star system? How many of you are there?

a.) . Waaa, you're six hundred people that accidentally reaped the rewards of the planet. I've got 6 billion-plus that need this planet. So either you let us land a colony on the planet or get Uhual on the line and pack your shit, it's moving day

b.) Want to appeal? Here, all 600 of you pile into this ship, we'll warp you back to Federation space and stand "guard" over the planet while you're gone.

c.) You want compensation? Well, I have 4 forward torp launchers, 200 torps, and a weapons officer that likes to blow shit up. Can you make change?

This is why I rarely think deeply about Trek movie.
So you are saying if you happened to live on a plot of land that contained something a foreign government wanted it would be alright for them to come in overnight. Kidnap you dump you halfway around the planet with virtually nothing but the shirt on your back?
If we're talking a medical cure that could save billions of lives, as we are in this movie: yeppers I'd be cool with it. I'd go voluntarily.
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Old August 5 2013, 05:26 AM   #62
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Why didn't the Federation open diplomatic channels with the Bak'u? The Bak'u didn't seem like they would willingly hog the metaphasic radiation. Besides it's an entire planet. Why couldn't the Federation or Son'a just colonize a continent on the opposite side of the planet? It's not like the 600 people in the Bak'u village needed that much room.
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Old August 5 2013, 08:10 AM   #63
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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did the scene with Quark ever get off the cutting room floor also?
Nope. Only as a publicity still:


Quark on the Ba'ku planet by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

And the one with the actor who plays Rom as a Trill security officer?
DVD bonus scenes.
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Old August 5 2013, 09:33 AM   #64
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

People are missing the point. The ONLY reason for the forced relocation was that the Sona were greedy and selfish. They didn't want to set up a colony and they wanted the youth effects NOW. And they were ready to harm and kill the inhabitants for it.

The end of the film never suggests that the metaphasic radiation is not used by the Federation. The end of the film only shows that the Baku stay and the Sona return home (which emphasizes the idea that the relocation was absolutely unneccessarrrry to begin with).
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Old August 5 2013, 10:15 AM   #65
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The ONLY reason for the forced relocation was that the Sona were greedy and selfish.
Exactly. Vengeance for the Ba'ku expelling the Son'a in the first place.
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Old August 5 2013, 03:39 PM   #66
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Not quite...Dougherty indicates that in the Son'as' current state simply settling on the planet won't heal them...essentially they need a concentrated burst.

Not excusing some of their actions, just saying that the idea that they can simply settle on the planet and everything will be fine is contradicted earlier in the film.
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Old August 5 2013, 04:06 PM   #67
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Not quite...Dougherty indicates that in the Son'as' current state simply settling on the planet won't heal them...essentially they need a concentrated burst.

Not excusing some of their actions, just saying that the idea that they can simply settle on the planet and everything will be fine is contradicted earlier in the film.
If only they had a way to get towards the radiation concentrated in the rings, like so sort of starship or something.
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Old August 5 2013, 04:08 PM   #68
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I'm pretty sure that's not what was needed, though I suppose the dialog is unclear enough that that's a possible interpretation...
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Old August 5 2013, 04:26 PM   #69
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Not quite...Dougherty indicates that in the Son'as' current state simply settling on the planet won't heal them...essentially they need a concentrated burst.

Not excusing some of their actions, just saying that the idea that they can simply settle on the planet and everything will be fine is contradicted earlier in the film.
They could have apologized and returned to the planet 100 or 50 years before the film. They could have also accepted the fact that they simply grow old and die, like any other living being in the universe. They didn't. Instead they chose to take it by force.
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Old August 5 2013, 04:29 PM   #70
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Not quite...Dougherty indicates that in the Son'as' current state simply settling on the planet won't heal them...essentially they need a concentrated burst.

Not excusing some of their actions, just saying that the idea that they can simply settle on the planet and everything will be fine is contradicted earlier in the film.
If only they had a way to get towards the radiation concentrated in the rings, like so sort of starship or something.
Which makes the S'ona needing the Federation all the more head scratching: they got ships, they trade with species, the work for the Dominion, why can't they do this thing on their own? They developed the tech, appear to have built it. What's the Federation hanging around for? Diplomacy? The planet is on the ass-end of no where in a area of space that's hard to get to, the Federation apparently didn't know of the Baku and their magic radiation. The S'ona could have done what they wanted or needed and been go before the Federation knew what happened.

For that matter, why even bother moving the Baku, just hoover up the damn rings and give 'em the bird as you warp off.
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Old August 5 2013, 04:55 PM   #71
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They could have apologized and returned to the planet 100 or 50 years before the film.
Apologize for what exactly? Apologize for wanting to be explorers? Apologize for not wanting to live like Luddites?
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Old August 5 2013, 04:59 PM   #72
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DVD bonus scenes.[/QUOTE]

Ugh. I thought "bonus" meant a good thing.
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Old August 5 2013, 06:13 PM   #73
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I'm pretty sure that's not what was needed, though I suppose the dialog is unclear enough that that's a possible interpretation...
I was going by how they originally had Ru'afo die which was getting blown into space falling through the rings and de-aging. That kind of implyed that the Son'a didn't need some grandiose scheme to solve their old age issue seeing as just flying a ship in their would do it, plus they become effectively immortal again without having to either share with or screw over a major quadrant power becuase they don't have to say crap to anyone.

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They could have apologized and returned to the planet 100 or 50 years before the film.
Apologize for what exactly? Apologize for wanting to be explorers? Apologize for not wanting to live like Luddites?
Probably the whole trying to take over their village thing.
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Old August 5 2013, 06:15 PM   #74
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Probably the whole trying to take over their village thing.
How else were they suppose to effect change? It sounds like they were essentially prisoners to that way of life.
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Old August 5 2013, 06:27 PM   #75
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Insurrection is my favorite TNG movie. While FC is also very good Insurrection has a story I found more interresting. I was never a real big fan of the Borg.

I wasn't on the internet back in 99...it was still young, so I didn't know I wasn't supposed to like it!
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