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Old August 4 2013, 12:47 PM   #76
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And if he had used his blood to treat her, it might have caused her body to expel or kill the eel as a foreign substance.
There is no reason to assume that. Kirk had suffered from fatal radiation damage, which is damage on a genetic and molecular level, disrupting cell function and replication so the body's cells can't be repaired or replaced. Lucille Harewood had an unspecified terminal condition, which may well have been genetic or involved failures on the cellular level. We don't know what killed the tribble, but if it died of old age, say, that's a cellular/genetic/molecular process as well. And of course Khan is genetically augmented, his abilities due to changes in his genes and probably the associated epigenetic mechanisms. This might include an enhanced ability for genetic and cellular repair. So it stands to reason that Khan's blood would be effective at healing genetic or molecular-level damage.

But what you're talking about, expelling a parasite, is an immune reaction, not a repair mechanism. It's a totally different biological process, like the difference between driving off an invading army and rebuilding the city they trashed. So there's no reason to assume Khan's blood could function as a super-immune system as well as a super-repair system. It doesn't follow that it could drive out a parasite.
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Old August 4 2013, 03:23 PM   #77
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Unless nuKhan's blood consist of nanites, it could do nothing of any sort, so I find the argument whether it can expell a parasite or only heal damage on a molecular level extremely funny.
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Old August 4 2013, 10:07 PM   #78
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Unless nuKhan's blood consist of nanites, it could do nothing of any sort
So why are scientists bothering to research stem cells?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Adding 200 years to the miracles they are already achieving seems possible to me.
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Old August 5 2013, 05:46 AM   #79
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^Yeah, they're already able to do some really impressive today.

Kahn's blood wouldn't need nanites to treat the problems we saw it deal with in the movie.
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Old August 5 2013, 10:09 AM   #80
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I doubt it. Besides, what possible 20th century genetic modification could there be that 23rd post alien-contact McCoy doesn't know of. If there was a way to heal radiation damage in the 20th century, it would be known of 300 years later.
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If there was a way to heal radiation damage in the 20th century, it would be known of 300 years later.
I dunno, Khan managed to keep his rule secret from us. Ditto the Botany Bay.
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I doubt it. Besides, what possible 20th century genetic modification could there be that 23rd post alien-contact McCoy doesn't know of. If there was a way to heal radiation damage in the 20th century, it would be known of 300 years later.
Not if the technology had been outlawed and suppressed - which is exactly what happened after the Eugenics Wars
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I doubt it. Besides, what possible 20th century genetic modification could there be that 23rd post alien-contact McCoy doesn't know of. If there was a way to heal radiation damage in the 20th century, it would be known of 300 years later.
Not if the technology had been outlawed and suppressed - which is exactly what happened after the Eugenics Wars
Genetic augmentation of humans, yes. Not the procedure to create whatever heals cells damaged by radiation. You don't have to clone an entire human to do that. Kirk is not an Augment after getting Cumberkhan's blood.
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It's possible that the healing factor wasn't something Khan always had, but something that he developed as part of his work with Section 31 after his revival. Maybe 23rd-century tech was able to activate a potential in Khan's biology that he didn't know was there.
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We don't know what killed the tribble, but if it died of old age,
Well according to the comic series it did die of old age.
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I doubt it. Besides, what possible 20th century genetic modification could there be that 23rd post alien-contact McCoy doesn't know of. If there was a way to heal radiation damage in the 20th century, it would be known of 300 years later.
Not if the technology had been outlawed and suppressed - which is exactly what happened after the Eugenics Wars
Genetic augmentation of humans, yes. Not the procedure to create whatever heals cells damaged by radiation. You don't have to clone an entire human to do that. Kirk is not an Augment after getting Cumberkhan's blood.
But we don't know how it's done. It may be that the only way it works is by modifying a host body to create this magic blood.

Henry Archer died a painful death from Clarke's Disease and according to Arik Soong he could have been easily saved if not for Earth's ban on genetic engineering. Right or wrong (wrong, obviously), they're pretty damn strict about using any related technology.
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We don't know what killed the tribble, but if it died of old age,
Well according to the comic series it did die of old age.
But that's non-canonical, and several of the comics have been contradicted by the sequel. In particular, the tribble comic's claim that Scotty was continuing to research transwarp beaming shortly before STID is hard to reconcile with STID's revelation that Starfleet/Section 31 classified and/or confiscated the technology -- something they would've had to do early enough to give them time to develop the portable transwarp-beaming rig Harrison used.
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