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Old August 4 2013, 03:08 AM   #31
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I just upgraded to a new computer and software so that I can better access reading materials and store libraries. I noticed among my EPUB books that some of the SCE books are Starflleet Corps of Engineers and at least one is Starfleet Core of Engineers (I think on the cover IIRC). Finding books often requires more than title and the correct form of author's name is required. Would there need to be a thread for other e-book sources (e.g., Kobo)?

Do serious readers recommend getting both Kobo and Kindle?
I recommend waiting to see what the forthcoming (later this year) Sony PRS-T3 will be like and then choose between Sony & Kobo. Forget the Kindle. Go ePub.


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Do serious readers recommend getting both Kobo and Kindle?
As in getting both devices? I'd say not - I have a Kindle, and I've not found anything I can't get on it that I could get elsewhere, and the prices are comparable.
If you were going to read on a tablet, both have apps so you can read from whatever source you like.
If you have a tablet, the Kindle app is awful. If you have an iPad, Marvin is quite good. But it only handle DRM free ePub. There is Bluefire Reader that handles ePub in both iOS and Android. Bluefire does handle ePub and handle Adobe's Adept ePub DRM and you can use Bluefire to borrow library ePub.
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Old August 4 2013, 02:16 PM   #32
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I just upgraded to a new computer and software so that I can better access reading materials and store libraries. I noticed among my EPUB books that some of the SCE books are Starflleet Corps of Engineers and at least one is Starfleet Core of Engineers (I think on the cover IIRC). Finding books often requires more than title and the correct form of author's name is required. Would there need to be a thread for other e-book sources (e.g., Kobo)?

Do serious readers recommend getting both Kobo and Kindle?
I recommend waiting to see what the forthcoming (later this year) Sony PRS-T3 will be like and then choose between Sony & Kobo. Forget the Kindle. Go ePub.


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Do serious readers recommend getting both Kobo and Kindle?
As in getting both devices? I'd say not - I have a Kindle, and I've not found anything I can't get on it that I could get elsewhere, and the prices are comparable.
If you were going to read on a tablet, both have apps so you can read from whatever source you like.
If you have a tablet, the Kindle app is awful. If you have an iPad, Marvin is quite good. But it only handle DRM free ePub. There is Bluefire Reader that handles ePub in both iOS and Android. Bluefire does handle ePub and handle Adobe's Adept ePub DRM and you can use Bluefire to borrow library ePub.
I've used the kindle app on several different tablets, and found it to be just fine. Not sure why you think its awful. I've tried other eReader apps on tablets, and i've found them a bit annoying.

As for the ereaders, I don't think a lot of books come in non-DRM ePub, so if you're going to go for a locked in solution, why not use the kindle? you can read it on pretty much any platform, or on the dedicated device, and the selection of books is the best out there. Maybe its just that I use amazon a lot anyway, but it just seems to be a great ecosystem for me.
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Old August 4 2013, 04:46 PM   #33
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If you have a tablet, the Kindle app is awful.
What exactly is your ax to grind with Amazon? The Kindle app on the iPad works like its suppose too.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:09 AM   #34
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If you have a tablet, the Kindle app is awful.
What exactly is your ax to grind with Amazon? The Kindle app on the iPad works like its suppose too.
That's the problem. It's designed very poorly and works that way. No fonts, huge margins, it's just weak and doesn't look good at all.

One really good reason to go with ePub is because it's a better format then anything Amazon has to offer.

I'm not locked into DRM. All of my eBooks have had the DRM removed. So given a choice, ePub is it. Marvin blows away the Kindle app. And there is going to be an iPhone version as well that will again blow away the Kindle iPhone disaster (err app). On an iPhone, screen space is precious, but Amazon doesn't care at all about usability.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:18 AM   #35
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No fonts...
What the Hell are you talking about? There are a selection of different fonts and you can control the size of the fonts.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:27 AM   #36
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No fonts...
What the Hell are you talking about? There are a selection of different fonts and you can control the size of the fonts.
I was wrong about the fonts. Been a while since I ran Kindle on my iPad. But there are a couple of things that make reading more difficult and there is nothing we can do to fix things.

The margins are very large and very annoying. On an iPhone it's abominable. On an iPad it's not nice.

The line spacing is huge and we cannot fix that. On an iPhone it looks stupid and on an iPad it's just very annoying.

Kindle wasn't made with users in mind. It was made so you'd get fed up of using the poorly designed app and move to an eInk Kindle.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:49 AM   #37
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I've never had any issues using the Kindle app for reading. On either my iPad or iPod Touch.
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Old August 5 2013, 03:38 AM   #38
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I've never had any issues using the Kindle app for reading. On either my iPad or iPod Touch.
I find it uncomfortable to use to read. I'll stick with ePub where I can use Marvin to read with where I have options to set things so they are comfortable.
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Old August 5 2013, 03:40 AM   #39
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Yeah, I have both a Kindle and the Kindle app and they both appeal to me. Nothing wrong with the app when I didn't think to bring my Kindle somewhere.
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Old August 5 2013, 03:42 AM   #40
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The EPub version of Immortal Coil I got for my Nook had the same problem. It was confusing as hell.
I downloaded Immortal Coil on Kindle very recently, and I didn't notice any issues.
That's doesn't make the Kindle better. That just means that S&S has gone back and fixed up their messed up Trek eBooks. Back then, the Kindle versions had the same problems as the Kindle version was made from the same source. They still are made from the same source. Now S&S is making things better.
You might want to check your quote there, I didn't say that.
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Old August 5 2013, 07:45 AM   #41
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No fonts...
What the Hell are you talking about? There are a selection of different fonts and you can control the size of the fonts.
I was wrong about the fonts. Been a while since I ran Kindle on my iPad. But there are a couple of things that make reading more difficult and there is nothing we can do to fix things.

The margins are very large and very annoying. On an iPhone it's abominable. On an iPad it's not nice.

The line spacing is huge and we cannot fix that. On an iPhone it looks stupid and on an iPad it's just very annoying.

Kindle wasn't made with users in mind. It was made so you'd get fed up of using the poorly designed app and move to an eInk Kindle.
Well i've not used the ios apps in a very long time, ever since i ditched the iPhone for Android, but on the Android version of the Kindle app, you can change the margin sizes and line spacing. I can't imagine that the iPhone/iPad apps are that dissimilar from the android app that they can't do this.
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Old August 5 2013, 09:17 PM   #42
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Well i've not used the ios apps in a very long time, ever since i ditched the iPhone for Android, but on the Android version of the Kindle app, you can change the margin sizes and line spacing. I can't imagine that the iPhone/iPad apps are that dissimilar from the android app that they can't do this.
Yes you can change the margins and the line spacing in the iOS Kindle app. You can go from really stupid to quite stupid to stupid for the margins and the line spacing. Amazon leaves you with too much margin space and too large a line space. So what the user gets is a poor reading experience.
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Old August 5 2013, 09:56 PM   #43
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So what the user gets is a poor reading experience.
My reading experiences with various versions of the Kindle and the Kindle app have been just fine. Thankyouverymuch.
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Old August 5 2013, 10:00 PM   #44
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My reading experiences with various versions of the Kindle and the Kindle app have been just fine. Thankyouverymuch.
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Old August 6 2013, 01:38 AM   #45
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What you will find, if you haven't already, is that Jon has had an axe to grind with Amazon and their Kindle for as far back as you care to look. Logic never seems to have any place in his arguments. He just tries to interject his perceived issues onto the whole of the entire ereading community. The main things, actually, the only things to take away from Jon's anti-Amazon rants are, Jon doesn't like Amazon. Jon doesn't like any Kindle reader. Jon feels that everything that is important to HIS reading experience, must be important to every single user of ereaders on the face of the planet, therefore he speaks for everyone as if his opinions are facts, rather than just his opinions.

Jon is pretty much squarely in the Sony ereader camp and anything made by anyone else is, at best, barely acceptable, and they go downhill quickly from there.

You can find his rants archived back for several years here and on mobileread.com. If you've read one, you've read them all. They're sort of like Gilligan's Island reruns. They go on forever and ever and they're almost as silly.

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