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Old August 2 2013, 02:46 PM   #16
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Spock and every Vulcan male needs to get married/bonded.
Or can they have the pon farr without being bonded?

Maybe they should get married for the sole purpose of love and reproduction , considering how only 10000 Vulcans are left.
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Old August 2 2013, 02:47 PM   #17
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Spock and every Vulcan male needs to get married/bonded.
Or can they have the pon farr without being bonded?
Didn't a Vulcan character in Voyager go through Pon Farr without being married/bonded? Vorik?
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Old August 2 2013, 03:03 PM   #18
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Spock and every Vulcan male needs to get married/bonded.
Or can they have the pon farr without being bonded?

Maybe they should get married for the sole purpose of love and reproduction , considering how only 10000 Vulcans are left.
Would Vulcans consider Spock good breeding stock and how about Uhura?
I would think the Vulcans would be virtually forcing everyone to have kids.

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Spock and every Vulcan male needs to get married/bonded.
Or can they have the pon farr without being bonded?
Didn't a Vulcan character in Voyager go through Pon Farr without being married/bonded? Vorik?
Yes I remember Vorik hassling B'Elanna. I can't remember the resolution, was it a fight or a holodeck creation like Tuvok?
If I were Uhura I wouldn't like Spock resolving his pon farr with a hologram though.
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Old August 2 2013, 03:19 PM   #19
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Why would Spock need a hologram with a real live Uhura right next to him?
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Old August 2 2013, 03:37 PM   #20
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Why would Spock need a hologram with a real live Uhura right next to him?
If he/she didn't want to get married/bonded. Just speculating on the topic subject.

I don't think Uhura would let Spock die for some I'm not getting married principle. But looks like there's some trickery that might get them out of it if that what they want.
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Old August 2 2013, 03:57 PM   #21
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Why would Spock need a hologram with a real live Uhura right next to him?
If he/she didn't want to get married/bonded. Just speculating on the topic subject.

I don't think Uhura would let Spock die for some I'm not getting married principle. But looks like there's some trickery that might get them out of it if that what they want.
Not sure the marriage or bonding is really needed.
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Old August 2 2013, 10:23 PM   #22
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With young people getting married later ior not at all should these trends be reflected in NuTrek. Have we seen a couple with children that was not married and lived happily together in Trek ever? Should we?
Something like that could be examined in a series format, whether as the focus of one episode or as a story played out across many episodes. But in a movie? No - there's really not going to be enough room to address the subject adequately.

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Instead of tunnel vision-ing on one type of relationship, why not take the realistic route, which is "different strokes for different folks."

IE, different people do different things differently.
Also this.

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Nice that you disregard as merely "kewl" the life choices of your friends. Are you this judgmental in real life, too?

Notice how nobody said that marriage-then-kids is old-fashioned, boring, backwards. Just different strokes for different people.
Isn't that what I said. Read between the lines. Its old-fashioned to marry and have kids in that order. I am old-fashioned. I am not trendy. I am boring (Surely you've worked that out by now if you've read any of my posts )
Aaand iguana gets his sarcasm detector checked.

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I would like to see a couple in new trek married first and then children, its just works better that way.
Nope.

I know trek is fiction however trek has always reflected our society and this society we live in has proven time and time again that it is best for a child to be raised in a household where the father and mother are either married or are in some sort of commitment (domestic partnership) with one another.

Of course there are circumstances (death of a parent , illegitimacy, domestic violence or divorce) when most children would not be able to experience the traditional family structure.

However , when an opportunity is given for a child to have a mother and father as a married or stable couple, I say no child should be denied that.


For the past 3 weeks since the Travyon Martin case , race and the family unit has been a hot topic in America . 73% of African American (AA) kids are born out of wedlock with absent fathers, this scenarios has contributed to why a lot of African American men go down the thug life which only leads to imprisonment, drugs and death.

Of course this is not just for AA, Its for young men in general. A lot of men (not all) with absent fathers tend do worse in life.

So I say Trek should keep the traditional family unit structure.

Relating my personal opinions to the Trek couples, Carol is now on the ship, if David is born in this timeline, Kirk would definitely be there with her to raise him. Chris Pine's Kirk seems to get more mature with every film so I don't see him not be there for his son.

As for Spock/Uhura, Vulcans have always been traditional. In the comics Spock did defined their relationship as a courtship (you an get more traditional than that). So I don't think they would jump into anything.

which to me, is the way it should be in the real world.

Someone commented on JJ and his view on marriage. JJ is married with 3 kids and his leading female character , Sydney Bristow from Alias. got married and had two kids with her husband by the time the last episode aired

So I don't see JJ straying away from that ideology.

Forgive me for ranting but I am just so sick of how most young people of this generation have come to embrace the baby mama and baby daddy nonsense.
serenitytrek1, you seriously need to start putting your rant posts in your blog and stop dumping them indiscriminately into threads here. A good half of that had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic question raised by the OP. Having opinions about stuff is one thing, but please try to keep your focus on what's being discussed and save the off-topic material for another discussion in which it's actually relevant.
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Old August 3 2013, 12:37 AM   #23
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With young people getting married later ior not at all should these trends be reflected in NuTrek. Have we seen a couple with children that was not married and lived happily together in Trek ever? Should we?
Something like that could be examined in a series format, whether as the focus of one episode or as a story played out across many episodes. But in a movie? No - there's really not going to be enough room to address the subject adequately.

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Instead of tunnel vision-ing on one type of relationship, why not take the realistic route, which is "different strokes for different folks."

IE, different people do different things differently.
Also this.

Aaand iguana gets his sarcasm detector checked.

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Nope.

I know trek is fiction however trek has always reflected our society and this society we live in has proven time and time again that it is best for a child to be raised in a household where the father and mother are either married or are in some sort of commitment (domestic partnership) with one another.

Of course there are circumstances (death of a parent , illegitimacy, domestic violence or divorce) when most children would not be able to experience the traditional family structure.

However , when an opportunity is given for a child to have a mother and father as a married or stable couple, I say no child should be denied that.


For the past 3 weeks since the Travyon Martin case , race and the family unit has been a hot topic in America . 73% of African American (AA) kids are born out of wedlock with absent fathers, this scenarios has contributed to why a lot of African American men go down the thug life which only leads to imprisonment, drugs and death.

Of course this is not just for AA, Its for young men in general. A lot of men (not all) with absent fathers tend do worse in life.

So I say Trek should keep the traditional family unit structure.

Relating my personal opinions to the Trek couples, Carol is now on the ship, if David is born in this timeline, Kirk would definitely be there with her to raise him. Chris Pine's Kirk seems to get more mature with every film so I don't see him not be there for his son.

As for Spock/Uhura, Vulcans have always been traditional. In the comics Spock did defined their relationship as a courtship (you an get more traditional than that). So I don't think they would jump into anything.

which to me, is the way it should be in the real world.

Someone commented on JJ and his view on marriage. JJ is married with 3 kids and his leading female character , Sydney Bristow from Alias. got married and had two kids with her husband by the time the last episode aired

So I don't see JJ straying away from that ideology.

Forgive me for ranting but I am just so sick of how most young people of this generation have come to embrace the baby mama and baby daddy nonsense.
serenitytrek1, you seriously need to start putting your rant posts in your blog and stop dumping them indiscriminately into threads here. A good half of that had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic question raised by the OP. Having opinions about stuff is one thing, but please try to keep your focus on what's being discussed and save the off-topic material for another discussion in which it's actually relevant.

First of all, let me say that I am a bit offended by your post and I say this with respect to you.

I fail to understand how my post was not relevant. Trek was a series that dealt with real human issues, I was only referencing the state of marriage and children in our society and how it should affect trek.

so how can that not be relevant to the topic?


the question asked was if couples in new trek should get married before they have kids and weather it should even matter in this current age and I said YES by backing up my opinions with the importance of marriage in the real world we live in.

So (again) how is my post not relevant to the question?

The issue on this thread is about marriage in nu trek and I am looking at marriage from a real human perspective..what trek is originally about in the first place.

Trek was always about human philosophies. Trek was a series that dealt with real social issues like racism, politics, power, marriage, friendship, family...the list goes on.

This is what made Trek unique form other franchises.

With due respect , you saying my comment is not relevant is like a person reviewing the Deep Space 9 episode (Far Beyond the Stars) where Captain Sisko leaved in the 1940'a as a writer and had to face a lot of racism because no one wanted to publish his work in academia .


Most people that have reviewed or commented on that episode to an extent has always referenced the racial history of America. In fact that episode would not have existed in the first place if America did have a long and complex history on race.

I am no different, I am stating my opinion on this topic based on society long standing history of what marriage is and am applying it to romantic relationships in Trek.


You say my post is not relevant yet you see to have forgotten that the first interracial kiss happened on trek when the civil rights movement was going on.


coincidence much????

I guess the civil right movement in the 60's was not relevant and was not a contributing factor to why Trek had the first interracial kiss.


I doubt Gene Rodenberry would agree.

maybe I said to much but I had too. marriage and children are complex issues. even Vulcans know that.
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Old August 3 2013, 12:58 AM   #24
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[M]aybe I said [too] much
Yes.

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but I had [to].
No. You didn't have to. Not here. Please work on that.
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Old August 3 2013, 01:06 AM   #25
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Isn't that what I said. Read between the lines. Its old-fashioned to marry and have kids in that order. I am old-fashioned. I am not trendy. I am boring (Surely you've worked that out by now if you've read any of my posts )
Probably I did, but I guess it wasn't very memorable.

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But 30 years ago it was more shocking to see unmarried people having children and not having anything to do with their children. At least in my neck of the woods At The End of The Universe. Now everyone does it. It lost its shock value for me a long long time ago.
Times are a-changing. For the good, mostly.

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this society we live in has proven time and time again that it is best for a child to be raised in a household where the father and mother are either married or are in some sort of commitment (domestic partnership) with one another.
Emphasis mine. Marriage is just one way to form a family. Besides, kids are better off in functional families, opposed to dysfunctional families. The composition of such families isn't that important.

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Of course there are circumstances (death of a parent , illegitimacy, domestic violence or divorce) when most children would not be able to experience the traditional family structure.
The "traditional family structure" is anything but traditional, as it is a 20th century invention. The real "traditional family structure" is 2 grandparents, 7 siblings (4 of which living with a spouse), 9 kids, 2 horses, a few cows, some pigs, and a whole bunch of chickens living under the same roof.

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However , when an opportunity is given for a child to have a mother and father as a married or stable couple, I say no child should be denied that.
I am eager to read how, short of shotgun marriages, you intend to guarantee such "right" of the child.

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For the past 3 weeks since the Travyon Martin case , race and the family unit has been a hot topic in America . 73% of African American (AA) kids are born out of wedlock with absent fathers, this scenarios has contributed to why a lot of African American men go down the thug life which only leads to imprisonment, drugs and death.
Holy racially inappropriate comment, Batman!

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So I say Trek should keep the traditional family unit structure.
I think Scotty might have something to say about having farm animals all over his engines, but hey, it's tradition!

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Forgive me for ranting but I am just so sick of how most young people of this generation have come to embrace the baby mama and baby daddy nonsense.
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Old August 4 2013, 05:34 PM   #26
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But 30 years ago it was more shocking to see unmarried people having children and not having anything to do with their children. At least in my neck of the woods At The End of The Universe. Now everyone does it. It lost its shock value for me a long long time ago.
Times are a-changing. For the good, mostly.
I'm missing something here. How is parents "not having anything to do with their children" a change for the good?
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Old August 4 2013, 06:28 PM   #27
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But 30 years ago it was more shocking to see unmarried people having children and not having anything to do with their children. At least in my neck of the woods At The End of The Universe. Now everyone does it. It lost its shock value for me a long long time ago.
Times are a-changing. For the good, mostly.
I'm missing something here. How is parents "not having anything to do with their children" a change for the good?
Because kids no longer have bed times and can get away with skipping school.
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But 30 years ago it was more shocking to see unmarried people having children and not having anything to do with their children. At least in my neck of the woods At The End of The Universe. Now everyone does it. It lost its shock value for me a long long time ago.
Times are a-changing. For the good, mostly.
I'm missing something here. How is parents "not having anything to do with their children" a change for the good?
Actually, I think you missing much more here. For example, how is having unmarried parents equated with "parents not having anything to do with their children"? Most unmarried parents are actually unwed couples living together, or the results of separations and divorces.

In general, why assume only "traditional" marriage (i.e. not really traditional, as I pointed out in my previous post) can sustain a functional family? The "nuclear family" (so aptly named, since it was mostly a product of the 50s) was basically a bored housewife, an absent husband, and obedience imposed with the belt.

The whole topic is just yet another "kids these days" thread. With old grumpy people getting more and more access to the internet, I project that by 2027 all Internet boards will be the electronic equivalent of yelling "get off my lawn, you damn whippersnappers!".
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I project that by 2027 all Internet boards will be the electronic equivalent of yelling "get off my lawn, you damn whippersnappers!".
They already do that. And try to convince each other the 90s are coming back any day now.
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I want to echo the sentiments of several others: kids benefit when parents give a shit about them. The parents can be married, divorced, holograms, etc., I don't give a shit about that. As long as the parent(s) are eager to be a part of the kids' lives and equipped to do so, mazel tov.

On the topic of Spock/nu Vulcan having arranged marriages/breedings - that seems short-sighted. If anything, Vulcans should be encouraged to breed with humans. We've seen that Spock, a vulcan/human hybrid, seems to be, from a physiological standpoint, almost completely Vulcan. Given that he was able to succeed in Vulcan society, to the point where he was offered a slot at the Vulcan Science Academy, there seems to be no intellectual downside either. If Vulcans can get over their superiority complex, they'd see that the logical choice is to have more relationships with humans, not fewer.
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