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Old July 21 2013, 02:26 AM   #16
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Re: OT: I wish Pocket would do something like this

^That's one of the main reasons I'm planning on reading the Rihannsu books, Federation, and The Final Reflection. The idea of seeing different versions of stuff that was addressed later in the shows/movies really has me curious.
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Old July 21 2013, 05:40 AM   #17
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I suspect that some people don't want to read something that's non-canonical because they feel like the emotional consequences of the stories will be rendered moot, which undermines audience investment in the stories and undermines verisimilitude.
That's a far better phrasing of my attitude than anything I ever came up with. Thanks, Sci.

(It's not that I won't read anything non-canonical. But I definitely have preference for Trek books that fit into the Marcokradiverse. The lack of emotional consequences is precisely why I didn't find Crucible fulfilling.)
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Old July 21 2013, 03:52 PM   #18
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I suspect that some people don't want to read something that's non-canonical because they feel like the emotional consequences of the stories will be rendered moot, which undermines audience investment in the stories and undermines verisimilitude.
That's a far better phrasing of my attitude than anything I ever came up with. Thanks, Sci.

(It's not that I won't read anything non-canonical. But I definitely have preference for Trek books that fit into the Marcokradiverse. The lack of emotional consequences is precisely why I didn't find Crucible fulfilling.)
Which, to be honest, is not something I can experience myself -- I found Crucible to be a powerful, emotionally moving experience all by itself, in the same way that I might find, say, The Once and Future King to be a powerful novel all by itself, without needing a sequel for it to fit with.
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Old July 23 2013, 03:35 AM   #19
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I suspect that some people don't want to read something that's non-canonical because they feel like the emotional consequences of the stories will be rendered moot, which undermines audience investment in the stories and undermines verisimilitude.
That's a far better phrasing of my attitude than anything I ever came up with. Thanks, Sci.

(It's not that I won't read anything non-canonical. But I definitely have preference for Trek books that fit into the Marcokradiverse. The lack of emotional consequences is precisely why I didn't find Crucible fulfilling.)
Some people only have so much time and money. Would you rather read the next installment post-Typhon Pact (presuming you'd gotten the other ones), or a standalone TOS?
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Old July 23 2013, 11:42 AM   #20
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I really don't like this sort of PR campaign. It's creepy to think that enthusiastic fan support on the net may not be genuine but essentially bought by way of free swag. It's like they found a way to get away with astroturfing by just doing it out in the open.
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Old July 23 2013, 01:24 PM   #21
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"Astroturfing?" No, wait, let me guess... artificial grass... does it mean faking "grassroots" support for a project?
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Old July 23 2013, 01:30 PM   #22
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^ Yep, astroturfing is the name for the PR activity of e.g. posting fake positive consumer reviews, fake forum posts and other social media publications and so on, to fabricate the appearance that a product is well-received or garnering attention by some consumer demographic and in turn making it seem desirable to others. This strikes me as almost the same - doing it above boards certainly, but still having people spread the word in exchange for goods instead of the product standing on its own feet. It's just lousy somehow.
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Old July 23 2013, 04:16 PM   #23
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Well the major way I am participating in the program is by posting reviews on Amazon of books I've already read. I'm not giving false opinions just to support DelRay, I'm being honest. The only thing the rewards are doing is encouraging me to take the time to do the reviews. Otherwise I wouldnt be doing that.
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Old July 23 2013, 04:25 PM   #24
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Yes, but consider the dynamic this causes: The people who get motivated to post reviews based on these rewards are most likely going to write positive reviews, because they're unlikely to have heard of the campaign if they're not fans, or unlikely to have much of an appetite for the rewards if they're not generally fans of the franchise. That means it hypothetically could have an effect on the positive-to-negative review ratio and computed average scores - with the goodwill mobilized essentially through bribes (well, "incentives"), not the quality of the original product. I think that makes the average score less useful than if the system worked free of that stimuli.

Of course, the counter-argument is that in the face of things like astroturfing happening anyway, someone who really wants to get a picture of the quality of a book has to actually dig deeper and read some reviews and purposefully expose themselves to differing viewpoints anyway.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:34 PM   #25
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Well the major way I am participating in the program is by posting reviews on Amazon of books I've already read. I'm not giving false opinions just to support DelRay, I'm being honest. The only thing the rewards are doing is encouraging me to take the time to do the reviews. Otherwise I wouldnt be doing that.
Same here. I'd been meaning to start doing reviews of my SW books for a while (to possibly qualify for Amazon Vine), but this program was the final push I needed to do it.
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Old July 25 2013, 07:05 AM   #26
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Meh. I stopped reading the Star Wars EU as soon as VII was announced. What's the point when 90% of novel/comic continuity will be erased?
Star Trek fans were giving this as their reason for not reading the first batch of Pocket Books novels and DC Comics when I first found fandom in 1980. I was enjoying the tie-ins very much, but few of my new friends were interested because the adventures "weren't real".

What's the point, you ask? Well, I was having fun. And they (presumably) weren't.

it'd be cool if they started something like this for the Star Trek EU.
I've never been terribly interested in contests that give prizes out that I've already bought at retail the day they were published. And I'm not going to pass up buying and reading a book in the hope that I can score enough points to win a random back issue.
I wish I had that much money to spend on Trek stuff.
I'm with ya there. There's that Star Trek offical Starships collection starting soon, $40 a month is a bit steep & would land me in deep poodoo.
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Old July 25 2013, 07:22 AM   #27
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Yes, but consider the dynamic this causes: The people who get motivated to post reviews based on these rewards are most likely going to write positive reviews, because they're unlikely to have heard of the campaign if they're not fans, or unlikely to have much of an appetite for the rewards if they're not generally fans of the franchise. That means it hypothetically could have an effect on the positive-to-negative review ratio and computed average scores - with the goodwill mobilized essentially through bribes (well, "incentives"), not the quality of the original product. I think that makes the average score less useful than if the system worked free of that stimuli.

Of course, the counter-argument is that in the face of things like astroturfing happening anyway, someone who really wants to get a picture of the quality of a book has to actually dig deeper and read some reviews and purposefully expose themselves to differing viewpoints anyway.
Maybe. We have the reward here of interacting w/ some of the Trek writers. Doesn't seem to stop us from telling their book rocked or sucked. I know winning something (potentially winning) can lead some to construct their opinions one way or another - so could knowing that if you write that Christopher's latest was dull or fantastic that he will read that could also influence an opinion.
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Old August 4 2013, 10:20 PM   #28
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I agree. One can always say it is an alternate timeline.
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