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Old July 26 2013, 09:08 AM   #31
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Re: Worst example of Voyager ruining an opportunity to return home

The Kazon were already proven to be dumb to the first order. They valued water... when they had space ships. Even if they're so dumb they can't figure out how to synthesize any, they have space ships... they can fly to another planet with water... except they didn't figure that out. Hell let them have the Array, they'll probably blow it up just as quick as those tricobalt devices.
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Old July 26 2013, 09:31 AM   #32
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Re: Worst example of Voyager ruining an opportunity to return home

Caretaker, who was hopelessly caught in the clutch of senile dementia, disagrees with your sketchy opinion, explaining to Janeway at the time exactly how wrong you are with complete certainty and sincerity.
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Old July 26 2013, 10:22 AM   #33
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Re: Worst example of Voyager ruining an opportunity to return home

Also, corn.
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Old July 30 2013, 05:18 AM   #34
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This is what happens when you have a show that suffers from Gilligan's Syndrome. All those attempts HAD to fail, otherwise the show would be over. Problem was, they kept doing stories where failure was the only option instead of developing any secondary plots that they could accomplish within the show without ending the series.
They could have done at least a season with the show being at home, and done probably another season going through space near The Federation on their way to Earth. Paramount wanted a TNG ripoff anyways.


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False Profits was probably the WORST example of Voyager not seizing the opportunity to return home. Besides Caretaker. :P


The whole show was based on that one stupid part too! SHould have just made them get stuck there with no hope of getting back.
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Old July 30 2013, 05:29 AM   #35
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Re: Worst example of Voyager ruining an opportunity to return home

They got home in Lost at the conclusion of the third season without any significant drop in quality.

Voyager was more lost than lost?

Someone was trying to hard.
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Old July 30 2013, 05:39 AM   #36
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Re: Worst example of Voyager ruining an opportunity to return home

I never understood why they didn't just return Voyager home in season six. DS9 was off the air by then, so there wouldn't have been any conflict with having two shows set in the Alpha Quadrant. And it might have opened the show up to some new narrative thinking after the whole 'stuck in the Delta Quadrant' thing had kind of run its course and become stale. Ironically, returning to 'established' Trek settings might have helped give Voyager the new creative impetus that the show so desperately needed at that point.
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Old July 30 2013, 03:58 PM   #37
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They got home in Lost at the conclusion of the third season without any significant drop in quality.

Voyager was more lost than lost?

Someone was trying to hard.
There was more to Lost than just being Lost though. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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Old August 2 2013, 05:41 PM   #38
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The worst example is the slipstream drive. In Course Oblivion the alt crew was able to make the slipstream work so why didn't the real crew? Did they just give up?

Janeway-"Oh it doesn't work? Well that's too bad you better scrap it then, keep scanning for worm holes Mr Kim"
Well to be fair, the alternate crew in Course Oblivion was using an "enhanced warp drive“, it wasn't slipstream drive.
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Old August 2 2013, 06:34 PM   #39
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Well the slip stream drive the real Voyager used in Timeless was powered by some crystals they found that were "decaying" or something that they could only use it then and there. So maybe the demon Voyager found something different, ran into a new alien technology or something.
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Old August 3 2013, 02:24 AM   #40
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The Caretaker's Array. Then if they utilized that to get back home there might not have been a series. :-( If Voyager had used the Caretaker's Array...then the Equinox would of been the Federation ship in the Quadrant.
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Old August 3 2013, 02:49 AM   #41
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Would Janeway have diffused the Dominion War, made it a hundred times worse or had zero effect on DS9 entirely?

Besides, if the Val Jean was still taken (And Voyager wasn't.) that would have meant that Janeway not only failed in her mission but that she lost Tuvok. You can lose all the 20 year old human Ensigns you want and nothing, but if you "misplace" to death a hundred year old Vulcan Lt Commander... If you don't lose your ship for gross negligence, then surely the Admiralty is going to have zip confidence in your style and you're allotted with bullshit unimportant nowhere assignments for the rest of your career like guarding latrines.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:13 PM   #42
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I never understood why a portion of the series couldn't have been used to deal with Voyager's return and the subsequent fallout. Why not show the characters trying to adjust to life back in the Alpha Quadrant? So much potential wasted because the return was delayed until the end of the series.

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True. With the Maquis all dead upon returning, surely the former Maquis members of Voyager would take up the mantle again or at the very least, there would be a fierce debate about it so that the Starfleet members of Voyager may very well wish they were back in the Delta Quadrant.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:28 PM   #43
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in the novels I liked some aspects of the crew coming home. You had the people in the Alpha quadrant who were like you guys had it easy, you didn't go through the Dominion war. And then Voyager crew who were like no YOU had it easy, we were alone always facing new dangers without starfleet for help
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Old August 14 2013, 05:39 PM   #44
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Well you can argue if getting stabbed with a knife or smashed with a hammer hurts more... needless to say neither were very good.
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