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Old August 1 2013, 08:13 PM   #421
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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Just why do two good guys have to fight each other?
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But just why the hell should he? They are on the same side.

I've seen this side of the argument over why they should they fight at all.


Some say it's just stupid and reinforces fan's hard on to see these two punch each other when they have no reason to.

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In the comics I read as a kid the Worlds Finest comic series was still going and they were friends so it made the idea even more idiotic to me. I also never got into this with other superhero characters because they are superheroes not wrestlers. So unless it's a misunderstanding or mind control thing the idea of hero vs. hero was always stupid to me. I never felt the need to have my favorite character beat up the other heroes in order to validate my love of that character
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Old August 1 2013, 08:14 PM   #422
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^ @Jarod Russel, Kirk and Picard did argue. There was conflict. Anyway, two men in their 60s fighting isn't quite the same as the world's two greatest superheroes.
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Old August 1 2013, 08:15 PM   #423
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^ @Jarod Russel, Kirk and Picard did argue. There was conflict. Anyway, two men in their 60s fighting isn't quite the same as the world's two greatest superheroes.
Argueing isn't the same as trying to fight and kill each other.
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Old August 1 2013, 08:22 PM   #424
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Well, we don't know that Bats and Supes will try to kill each other. But it's horses for courses - Picard is a man of reason who tries to argue his position and so, contrary to the stereotype, is Kirk. So we expect them to argue their respective cases. Superman and Batman are action men and we expect action in their films. So their confrontation is bound to involve some physical element.
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Old August 1 2013, 09:10 PM   #425
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As has been pointed out, it's commonplace in any fictional team-up or crossover of heroes for them to start off at odds and end up on the same side. Think of Thor and Iron Man fighting in the Avengers, Wolverine butting heads with the X-Men (not forgetting his cameo in First Class), even Picard and Sisko in the pilot ep of DS9. Cliched yes, but if Batman and Superman meet and are immediately 'OMG, you're like my new BFF!', it'd be a bit boring.
Exactly. Part of the thrill of seeing your characters meeting is to play the "who would win in a fight, Frankenstein or the Wolfman?" game.

That's practically built into the DNA of teamup stories.
I agree, Picard should have had to fight Kirk first, before they fought Soran together.
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Old August 1 2013, 11:26 PM   #426
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As has been pointed out, it's commonplace in any fictional team-up or crossover of heroes for them to start off at odds and end up on the same side. Think of Thor and Iron Man fighting in the Avengers, Wolverine butting heads with the X-Men (not forgetting his cameo in First Class), even Picard and Sisko in the pilot ep of DS9. Cliched yes, but if Batman and Superman meet and are immediately 'OMG, you're like my new BFF!', it'd be a bit boring.
Exactly. Part of the thrill of seeing your characters meeting is to play the "who would win in a fight, Frankenstein or the Wolfman?" game.

That's practically built into the DNA of teamup stories.
I agree, Picard should have had to fight Kirk first, before they fought Soran together.

Preferably to the "Amok Time" fight music . . . .
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Old August 2 2013, 12:26 AM   #427
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As has been pointed out, it's commonplace in any fictional team-up or crossover of heroes for them to start off at odds and end up on the same side. Think of Thor and Iron Man fighting in the Avengers, Wolverine butting heads with the X-Men (not forgetting his cameo in First Class), even Picard and Sisko in the pilot ep of DS9. Cliched yes, but if Batman and Superman meet and are immediately 'OMG, you're like my new BFF!', it'd be a bit boring.
Most of those examples lasted less than 5 minutes.

They didn't make a feature live-action movie called Iron Man vs. Thor.
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Old August 2 2013, 12:52 AM   #428
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

I wasn't big on the "vs." idea either, but we already went around the block on this issue several times earlier in the thread...can we move on?
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Old August 2 2013, 01:11 AM   #429
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Well, we don't know that Bats and Supes will try to kill each other. But it's horses for courses - Picard is a man of reason who tries to argue his position and so, contrary to the stereotype, is Kirk. So we expect them to argue their respective cases. Superman and Batman are action men and we expect action in their films. So their confrontation is bound to involve some physical element.
Exactly. A certain amount of dynamic action comes with the capes and tights.
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Old August 2 2013, 02:45 AM   #430
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^ No consult Bruce Timm!
Oh, so all Batman has to do to win is suck all the air out of the room and wait for Superman to pass out.

Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
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You're not overly familiar with American superhero comics, are you?
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Maybe it's a slow crime day.
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Old August 2 2013, 04:23 AM   #433
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^ No consult Bruce Timm!
Oh, so all Batman has to do to win is suck all the air out of the room and wait for Superman to pass out.

Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
Which episode was it that Superman was disabled by loss of air? Also to my recollection Superman and Batman only scuffled once in DCAU in the 90's 3 parter World's Finest. It's been forever since i've seen Superman TAS and Justice League and JLU. So I don't disbelieve you I would just like to revist the episodes in question.

Given that 90's animated Superman was based on Byrne's 80's retool of the character. Which made him more fallible and vulnerable. The Pre-Crisis Supes and Supes of the late 90's comics (Our World At War) not needing to eat, sleep or breath if they had solar energy in their cells.
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Old August 2 2013, 09:02 AM   #434
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As has been pointed out, it's commonplace in any fictional team-up or crossover of heroes for them to start off at odds and end up on the same side. Think of Thor and Iron Man fighting in the Avengers, Wolverine butting heads with the X-Men (not forgetting his cameo in First Class), even Picard and Sisko in the pilot ep of DS9. Cliched yes, but if Batman and Superman meet and are immediately 'OMG, you're like my new BFF!', it'd be a bit boring.
Most of those examples lasted less than 5 minutes.

They didn't make a feature live-action movie called Iron Man vs. Thor.
(A) We don't know how long the conflict, if any, between Superman and Batman will last.

(B) The Avengers was an ensemble movie, not a two-hander. Anyway, I was giving brief examples of good guys starting out in opposite sides before ending up on the same side, not giving a comprehensive list of ways in which this film would be exactly the same as The Avengers.

(C) This film hasn't even been titled. Why are people getting so hung up on what might happen in it or what itmight be called? Does anyone seriously think that by the end of the film Superman and Batman will be sworn enemies?
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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^ No consult Bruce Timm!
Oh, so all Batman has to do to win is suck all the air out of the room and wait for Superman to pass out.

Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
Which episode was it that Superman was disabled by loss of air?
It wasn't an episode so much as everytime that version of Superman was in space he was either in a spacesuit (Superman TAS episodes "The Prometheon", "Little Girl Lost, Part 1")

or in a Green Lantern energy bubble (Justice League episode "Savage Time").

Plus when the Zod expy guy and his female sidekick got spaced in their last appearance both after escaping the phatom zone and at the end of the episode they were shown gasping for air.(episode "Absolute Power")

So yeah I think its apparent that Superman needs air.
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