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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 1 2013, 05:50 PM   #46
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

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I like them all. Some more, some less. (I haven't seen STID yet, but I'm sure I'll like it just fine too.)

But I come from the generation of fans who sat through the Trek drought of the mid-late 70s. For me, any new onscreen Trek is good. Like pizza.

I like pizza.
Weird, cuz I'm from that same group, and yet I'd be much happier to have less TREK if it meant more good TREK.

Same for Bond. I suffered mightily during the Moore era, and still would be happy to have no Bond between 1970 & 1986 (only real loss would be having less Ken Adam, John Barry & Derek Meddings moments, but then again those moments could have happened for different films) and to have had no Bonds at all this century either, (except for about 10 minutes of QUANTUM.)

I like pizza too, but if you remember Shakey's Pizza, you'll recall a certain cardboard quality. Don't really like cardboard, can do without consuming it at all ever.
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Old August 1 2013, 10:48 PM   #47
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I like them all. Some more, some less. (I haven't seen STID yet, but I'm sure I'll like it just fine too.)

But I come from the generation of fans who sat through the Trek drought of the mid-late 70s. For me, any new onscreen Trek is good. Like pizza.

I like pizza.
Weird, cuz I'm from that same group, and yet I'd be much happier to have less TREK if it meant more good TREK.

Same for Bond. I suffered mightily during the Moore era, and still would be happy to have no Bond between 1970 & 1986 (only real loss would be having less Ken Adam, John Barry & Derek Meddings moments, but then again those moments could have happened for different films) and to have had no Bonds at all this century either, (except for about 10 minutes of QUANTUM.)

I like pizza too, but if you remember Shakey's Pizza, you'll recall a certain cardboard quality. Don't really like cardboard, can do without consuming it at all ever.
But I loved Shakey's Pizza.
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Old August 4 2013, 12:11 AM   #48
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^So did I. And then we got a Round Table Pizza place.
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Old August 4 2013, 12:37 AM   #49
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The curse is real. Odd Treks are bad and even good.

As long as you consider the numbers 6, 8 and 10 as odd, 1 and 3 even, and 5 "half-odd". Then there's no problem.
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Old August 5 2013, 01:35 PM   #50
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I don't buy the curse at all - The Motion Picture is one my fave Trek films, 3 is a solid entry, Generations & Inssurection have their moments, the only truly bad one for me is 5, and I love all the campfire scenes in that
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Old August 6 2013, 05:09 AM   #51
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The Star Trek odd-numbered movie curse reminds me of the Night Court bailiff curse. After two elderly, chain-smoking women who stared on the show as bailiffs died during the show's first few seasons, it gained a reputation, for a while, of being cursed.
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Old August 6 2013, 09:36 AM   #52
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Weird, cuz I'm from that same group, and yet I'd be much happier to have less TREK if it meant more good TREK.
Well put!
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Old August 6 2013, 10:32 AM   #53
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The only bad Trek film is Nemesis (and that one truly stinks on every possible level), all others are good to great.
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Old August 6 2013, 10:59 AM   #54
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But I like Nemesis
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Old August 6 2013, 01:29 PM   #55
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I just don't get the hate for Nemesis, I rank it in the top 3 or 4, I know some of the plot is a bit contrived and silly (dune buggy sequence I'm talking to you) but the end battle is the best in all 12 films for me, and I enjoyed quite a lot of the character moments - the wedding in particular. I rank it alongside First Contact
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Old August 6 2013, 01:37 PM   #56
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But I like Nemesis
You also like nuTrek.
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Old August 7 2013, 05:50 AM   #57
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But I like Nemesis
You also like nuTrek.
Well they can't both be true...I'm going to guess that he was lying about liking Nemesis
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Old August 7 2013, 09:54 AM   #58
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

You know what, of the 12 trek movies I can honestly say I like 12 of them.

None are great pieces of cinema (TWOK probably comes closest) but all are solid 3 or 4 star films in a series I consistently enjoy, and I could spend hours on the Internet criticising them, but I still find myself running through all the discs once a year or so!
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Old August 7 2013, 04:41 PM   #59
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I just don't get the hate for Nemesis, I rank it in the top 3 or 4, I know some of the plot is a bit contrived and silly (dune buggy sequence I'm talking to you) but the end battle is the best in all 12 films for me, and I enjoyed quite a lot of the character moments - the wedding in particular. I rank it alongside First Contact
For me just about everything in NEM is contrived badly. Picard BREAKS HIS PHASER RIFLE on one bad guy, making this tough field weapon unusable, then his 24th century holster -- which doesn't even have the secure functionality of a berns-martin triple drawer holster circa 1956 -- allows his other phaser to fall out and be left on the deck. Moments later, we have him able to rip a stanchion off the wall to conveniently impale min-whoosis. THAT'S ALL JUST IN THE SPAN OF A MINUTE OR TWO!

If the movie had been working on ANY thrusters, I wouldn't have been distracted by all of this till later, but the fact I noticed this all as it happened first run is a pretty marvelous indicator of the script's failings -- no surprise there -- and especially Baird's.
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Old August 7 2013, 04:48 PM   #60
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I'm not sure how much real control any director had over any of the TNG films. These movies really seemed to be driven from the top (Berman).
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