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Old July 30 2013, 11:41 AM   #16
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Re: George Lucas - Why the Vitriol?

I thought Avatar was good. Far from original, but it worked well. Also, it was the only 3D movie I've seen that I didn't suffer from (usually I try to avoid them a much as possible).
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Old July 30 2013, 11:46 AM   #17
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Avatar was a lot of fun, only among internet fan-bois does it get that much shit, thank goodness their opinions count for exactly that.
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Old July 30 2013, 01:40 PM   #18
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Re: George Lucas - Why the Vitriol?

The only place I see hatred for Lucas is the internet. For me, the man made some good movies and made some bad movies.
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Old July 30 2013, 02:10 PM   #19
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Because instead of improving his ability to tell a story, he devolved and ignored storytelling in order to advertise his special effects company. That's the main reason for me, anyway.
Can't the same be said about Avatar? Yet James Cameron still seems to get praised for his vision.
Good luck finding me praising him for it.
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Old July 30 2013, 03:00 PM   #20
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Vitriol?

Didn't know he had that problem. A bit too much information.

They do say performance issues can happen. 1 out of five......


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Old July 30 2013, 03:02 PM   #21
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Why the vitriol?

Because in 1999 some people told their friends that Star Wars was back and it was going to be better than ever.

And they were embarrassed.

And the one thing these image-obsessed kids will never, ever let you forget - what is it, 14 years and counting? - is that you made them look uncool.

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And no one stops them and says "hey, this sucks, fix it" because... I dunno why. I don't know.
Because they don't want to get fired.
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Old July 30 2013, 03:08 PM   #22
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Vitriol?

Didn't know he had that problem. A bit too much information.

They do say performance issues can happen. 1 out of five......


No, Not Vivisexion, Vitriol
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Old July 30 2013, 03:56 PM   #23
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Because instead of improving his ability to tell a story, he devolved and ignored storytelling in order to advertise his special effects company. That's the main reason for me, anyway.
What's the problem with the storytelling in his films?
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Old July 30 2013, 04:48 PM   #24
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Probably because the most universally reviled character in the entire franchise was the real reason that Palpatine was so easily able to take power over the Senate, by being manipulated into moving for a no-confidence vote against the sitting Chancellor of the Old Republic and too stupid to realize what was happening, or that he was being played.

Seriously...who thought that writing this shit was a good idea?
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Old July 30 2013, 04:49 PM   #25
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Because instead of improving his ability to tell a story, he devolved and ignored storytelling in order to advertise his special effects company. That's the main reason for me, anyway.
I don't really think it's anything that cynical. I just think he was so excited about the new technology, and so eager to create amazing new worlds and creatures for a new trilogy, that he lost sight of the story and characters. And forgot the importance of always keeping them front and center.

Which is ironic, because he was the one guy we thought would know how to strike the right balance between story and special effects, when so many other scifi movies back then were going completely overboard with CGI.

Who would have thought he would end up being the worst offender of them all?
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Old July 30 2013, 04:55 PM   #26
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Who would have thought he would end up being the worst offender of them all?
I wasn't too surprised. The OT pushed visual effects of the time to their limit. The PT also pushed visual effects of the time to their limit. The real difference is that the limits changed a lot.
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Old July 30 2013, 05:00 PM   #27
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The frustration for many (including myself) comes from the fact that, back in the beginning, Lucas DID understand that superior visual effects are to be used as a tool to enhance good storytelling. That's why he created ILM. The story should never be built around the effects, but always the other way around. He KNEW this at one time.

At some point between the two trilogies, Lucas just seemed to have lost his way...
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Old July 30 2013, 05:06 PM   #28
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The prequels were a disappointment for many people. Lucas had nothing but yes-men working for him and he went right off the rails. But since he was kind enough to sell out to Disney we will get a chance to see another take on Star Wars. Looking forward to it.
Pretty much summed it up.. the OP also mentioned Jar Jar so he's aware of the many shortcomings of the PT movies.

Lucas is awesome at creating worlds but he just doesn't cut it with today's audience which has grown beyond simple candy visuals. His movies are pretty good for kids who can still be amazed by cool special effects, cool characters and the occasional silly humor but his movies don't stand up to an adults' more critical eye and it is a good writer who can please both. George is not one of them unfortunately.

And he's also a bad director.. he has top acts like Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor and managed to get some of their worst performances out of them in their careers.

Best scenario would have been George being the producer and creating the world but have talented people take over and play within his world with no restrictions.

This is why i have so much hope for the Disney movies (if only Abrams would let go of his lens flare fondness )
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Old July 30 2013, 06:11 PM   #29
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137th Gebirg wrote: View Post
The frustration for many (including myself) comes from the fact that, back in the beginning, Lucas DID understand that superior visual effects are to be used as a tool to enhance good storytelling. That's why he created ILM. The story should never be built around the effects, but always the other way around. He KNEW this at one time.

At some point between the two trilogies, Lucas just seemed to have lost his way...
When you read his unfilmed scripts, he never knew that. Ever read Indiana Jones and the Monkey King? Technology in the 80s and early 90s restricted his imagination a great deal.
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Old July 30 2013, 06:11 PM   #30
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Check out a movie called The People vs George Lucas. It brings up some interesting points about how he views the Star Wars movies in contrast to how fans view them.
Also, the Half In the Bag review of Red Tails..
And also the (nearly hour-long) Half in the Bag interview/discussion with the director of The People vs. George Lucas. Bottom line is, apart from the PT sucking bantha poodoo, fans want legitimate, restored but not tinkered with home releases of the OT. And they don't much like being blatantantly lied to ("Greedo was always supposed to shoot Han" being only the most infamous example).

Speaking in my experienced, expert capacity as one who has inadvertently personally confused and annoyed the Flanneled One, I don't bear the guy any ill will. That said, he does come off as a pretty prissy twerp when he moans about how everyone should respect his repeated screwing with the OT on one hand as a matter of artistic integrity, while simultaneously liscencing the crap out of the franchise to all sorts of stupid merchandise, from Darth Vader Mr. Potato Heads to crossover Transformers toys. A series of heartfelt personal visual poems or a money-grubbing empire of cheap plastic crap: pick one, dude.
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