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Old July 29 2013, 12:32 PM   #16
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Re: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Voyager Ep Counterpoint (Season 5)

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The thing I found oddest about the episode is the way they let Voyager go at the end. That didn't make sense to me. The rest of it seemed within creative license.
Well, Kashyk wanted the whole event forgotten to avoid humiliation. But it was quite a gamble on Janway's part, that he would react that way and not just arrest them all anyway. iirc Voyager is pretty much at the mercy of his ships at that point.
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Old July 29 2013, 02:19 PM   #17
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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)




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One opportunity?

She could make out with anyone anywhen.
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Old July 29 2013, 02:22 PM   #18
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The thing I found oddest about the episode is the way they let Voyager go at the end. That didn't make sense to me. The rest of it seemed within creative license.
Well, Kashyk wanted the whole event forgotten to avoid humiliation. But it was quite a gamble on Janway's part, that he would react that way and not just arrest them all anyway. iirc Voyager is pretty much at the mercy of his ships at that point.
I didnt quite get that myself. His true objective must have been that wormhole... and when that failed there was no point (he had already sold his superiors on his going undercover, or..whatever)

If his second in command was smart, he'd turn states evidence on the guy and transmute it into a promotion later..
but alas... thats a plot for another day
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Old July 29 2013, 03:04 PM   #19
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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)

Early on when there was hope of finding a fast way home she WAS holding out for Marc. Maybe it's "chick logic" to you but just because you're far away doesn't mean you instantly fall out of love and bang the person next to you. And what does changing her hair style have to do with it?

As far as Chakotay, she made it clear to him (and the guy from Workforce) that she WOULD NOT have a relationship with anyone under her command. If he still continued to pine after her that's his issue, not Janeway's

Why would she bang Tuvok? He is a good friend of hers, a MARRIED friend of hers.
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Old July 29 2013, 03:26 PM   #20
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LOL whatever Kara.. you are just proving my point about chick logic. Chakotays problem? Tuvok being married? THEY ARE 70 years from home!!!



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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)

Early on when there was hope of finding a fast way home she WAS holding out for Marc. Maybe it's "chick logic" to you but just because you're far away doesn't mean you instantly fall out of love and bang the person next to you. And what does changing her hair style have to do with it?

As far as Chakotay, she made it clear to him (and the guy from Workforce) that she WOULD NOT have a relationship with anyone under her command. If he still continued to pine after her that's his issue, not Janeway's

Why would she bang Tuvok? He is a good friend of hers, a MARRIED friend of hers.
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Old July 29 2013, 03:29 PM   #21
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Re: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Voyager Ep Counterpoint (Season 5)

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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)
She was about to make out with that French magistrate guy in Prime Factors until Ensign Harry "Cockblocker" Kim decided he's rather interrupt and tell Janeway about the new tool he found than spend time with the chick who was all but throwing herself at him. That was in season one too, so... yeah "holding out for mark" logic rebuffed.
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Old July 29 2013, 04:17 PM   #22
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LOL whatever Kara.. you are just proving my point about chick logic. Chakotays problem? Tuvok being married? THEY ARE 70 years from home!!!
some people might take the opportunity to toss asside their vows and try to hook up. But I think for a lot of people it might take many many years to get to that point.
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Old July 29 2013, 05:25 PM   #23
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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)

As far as Chakotay, she made it clear to him (and the guy from Workforce) that she WOULD NOT have a relationship with anyone under her command.
Meh...if I take the VOY novels as canon, she gladly breaks that principle.
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Old July 29 2013, 05:50 PM   #24
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That is my point. Janeway is a COMPLETE prude.. She keeps chakotays balls in a jar for 7 years because he's a pussy. (He's her fallback plan LOL)

She has had ample opportunity to bang tuvok (maybe she has)..

So here comes this alpha male Kashik and she is like "wow who knows when I'll get another chance for a one night stand.. PANTIES ARE DROPPING"


That bullshit about "holding out for mark" and her dear john letter as her closure is just typical chick logic. You notice how she arbitrarily changed her hair style and got more assertive WELL BEFORE THAT (season 4 i believe)

As far as Chakotay, she made it clear to him (and the guy from Workforce) that she WOULD NOT have a relationship with anyone under her command.
Meh...if I take the VOY novels as canon, she gladly breaks that principle.
in the novel they hooked up once and at that point he wasn't under her command
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Old July 29 2013, 06:04 PM   #25
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As far as Chakotay, she made it clear to him (and the guy from Workforce) that she WOULD NOT have a relationship with anyone under her command.
Meh...if I take the VOY novels as canon, she gladly breaks that principle.
in the novel they hooked up once and at that point he wasn't under her command
They end up together....not just hook up once, from what I got out of it. It was in the last chapter of the last novel. They are still "together" unless another book comes out and ruins it. Which I don't think will happen.

Also she was an Admiral and he was a Captain. Although not directly under her command, they were still colleagues. Also she shares quarters with him in that last scene of the book and I believe they both are working aboard his ship. I suppose that doesn't directly count as being under her command. It's a weird gray area.

But yes on the show she is clear about not getting involved with those under her command.
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Old July 29 2013, 06:12 PM   #26
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Meh...if I take the VOY novels as canon, she gladly breaks that principle.
in the novel they hooked up once and at that point he wasn't under her command
They end up together....not just hook up once, from what I got out of it. It was in the last chapter of the last novel. They are still "together" unless another book comes out and ruins it. Which I don't think will happen.

Also she was an Admiral and he was a Captain. Although not directly under her command, they were still colleagues. Also she shares quarters with him in that last scene of the book and I believe they both are working aboard his ship. I suppose that doesn't directly count as being under her command. It's a weird gray area.

But yes on the show she is clear about not getting involved with those under her command.
that's right there is another book! I forgot, haven't read that one yet. then I take it back, (and now I got a major spoiler haha)
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Old July 29 2013, 06:37 PM   #27
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in the novel they hooked up once and at that point he wasn't under her command
They end up together....not just hook up once, from what I got out of it. It was in the last chapter of the last novel. They are still "together" unless another book comes out and ruins it. Which I don't think will happen.

Also she was an Admiral and he was a Captain. Although not directly under her command, they were still colleagues. Also she shares quarters with him in that last scene of the book and I believe they both are working aboard his ship. I suppose that doesn't directly count as being under her command. It's a weird gray area.

But yes on the show she is clear about not getting involved with those under her command.
that's right there is another book! I forgot, haven't read that one yet. then I take it back, (and now I got a major spoiler haha)
Sorry, I thought you meant that book. I should have spoiler tagged. D:

Which book were you referring to? Full Circle?
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Old July 29 2013, 06:51 PM   #28
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They end up together....not just hook up once, from what I got out of it. It was in the last chapter of the last novel. They are still "together" unless another book comes out and ruins it. Which I don't think will happen.

Also she was an Admiral and he was a Captain. Although not directly under her command, they were still colleagues. Also she shares quarters with him in that last scene of the book and I believe they both are working aboard his ship. I suppose that doesn't directly count as being under her command. It's a weird gray area.

But yes on the show she is clear about not getting involved with those under her command.
that's right there is another book! I forgot, haven't read that one yet. then I take it back, (and now I got a major spoiler haha)
Sorry, I thought you meant that book. I should have spoiler tagged. D:

Which book were you referring to? Full Circle?
no problem, I don't mind spoilers. I actuall downloaded that book a while ago and it's been sitting in my kindle. I guess I meant Full Circle then
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4. How is it the Devore sensors cant detect ships that use their own refractive shield technology? It implies they cant find their own ships?
If you're trying to develop a cloaking technology of any sort, wouldn't your own sensors be the first thing you'd make sure couldn't detect it? They're the ones most readily available for testing, after all.
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Well that's not a good idea if your government is riddled with enemy agents.
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