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Old July 27 2013, 10:39 PM   #121
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

Since the mammoth Enterprise-D was destroyed by a teeny tiny Klingon Bird of Prey in two timelines ("Yesterday's Enterprise" and Star Trek Generations), and the USS Odyssey was destroyed by Jem'Hadar fighters, I'd say there's ample evidence that bigger isn't necessarily better in Trek's world.
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Old July 28 2013, 12:14 AM   #122
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Well in "Yesterdays Enterprise" she was attacked by 3 BOP not one, who I believe were bigger then the one in Generations, and the Enterprise destroyed one of them.
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Old July 28 2013, 12:52 AM   #123
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Since the mammoth Enterprise-D was destroyed by a teeny tiny Klingon Bird of Prey in two timelines ("Yesterday's Enterprise" and Star Trek Generations), and the USS Odyssey was destroyed by Jem'Hadar fighters, I'd say there's ample evidence that bigger isn't necessarily better in Trek's world.
In Star Trek Generations, the bird of prey could fire through the Enterprise's shields and the commander of the Enterprise was Riker at the time.
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Old July 28 2013, 10:26 AM   #124
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But on stats alone, even without shields the modern and mammoth E-D should have smashed through a century-old tiny shielded Bird of Prey. Dramatic license > technical statistics.
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Old July 28 2013, 10:52 AM   #125
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But larger ships tend to have better defences and more capabilities.
Doesn't matter, a runabout can take out a galaxy, all they need to do is fire a tachyon beam at the thing in the galaxy's computer core and the main systems shut down, it's not a very well known weakness but the runabout's co-pilot just happened to look at the top secret files on day when he was a junior jeffries tube scrubber at Utopia Planitia.
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Old July 28 2013, 08:24 PM   #126
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But larger ships tend to have better defences and more capabilities.
Doesn't matter, a runabout can take out a galaxy, all they need to do is fire a tachyon beam at the thing in the galaxy's computer core and the main systems shut down, it's not a very well known weakness but the runabout's co-pilot just happened to look at the top secret files on day when he was a junior jeffries tube scrubber at Utopia Planitia.
I thought tachyons just forced the ship to reset it's shield harmonics. (Star Trek Insurrection) And anyways, it would take a long time for a runabout to destroy a Galaxy class starship even without shields.
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Old July 28 2013, 08:31 PM   #127
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Not if it hits the plot device with the first shot.
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Old July 28 2013, 09:32 PM   #128
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

Yeah, that's sorta the awesome/horrible thing about Trek. Violence doesn't always save the day. But technobabble often does.
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Old July 28 2013, 09:49 PM   #129
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Yeah, that's sorta the awesome/horrible thing about Trek. Violence doesn't always save the day. But technobabble often does.
I got the impression it was more, "You dirty Klingons -dare- to get through our shields and attack us with technobabble?! We -invented- technobabble. We'll show you how it's done!"
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Old July 29 2013, 04:38 AM   #130
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Not sure why this interests me... But i just wanted to point out, this is all relative. Here are some of the facts that I remember:

* Galaxy Class was considered the most advanced as far as luxuries, size and armament.

* Intrepid class was considered FASTER but it is smaller.
(Galaxy class max warp is 9.3 .. Intrepid is 9.9 )

(and isnt the "faster" argument moot??? there is no gravity or inertia in space)

* Galaxy Class standard crew compliment is 900-1000 ... but can hold upto 4000 in a pinch (like doing an evacuation for example).
vs Intrepid compliment is 140-160 .


* Also being larger means galaxy class can hold more shuttles / torpedos / probes...



Personally, Id rather be in the Galaxy class. It was built for power.. intrepid was built for speed
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Old July 29 2013, 05:53 AM   #131
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There's gravity in space.

(Sorry.)

Inertia too.

(I'm, so sorry.)
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Old July 29 2013, 06:06 AM   #132
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Yeah, that's sorta the awesome/horrible thing about Trek. Violence doesn't always save the day. But technobabble often does.
I got the impression it was more, "You dirty Klingons -dare- to get through our shields and attack us with technobabble?! We -invented- technobabble. We'll show you how it's done!"
Yeah I hated how GEN basically gave the ENT-D the shaft. How much of the budget did they spend on those sfx for that short fight? The Kirk death reshoot cost $6 million dollars. You think they could flex a million to give the ENT-D a more heroic send off. At least make it 3 BOP firing through the shields or have them shoot a trilithum missle at the ENT that cripples it. Have the ENT-D win with guts and sacrifice not a stupid technobable hax win.

It's one of the reasons I like the ENT-E vs Scimtiar fight. Geordi and Data don't technobabble a way to drop the Scimitar cloak or shields to make the battle less one sided.
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Old July 29 2013, 07:15 AM   #133
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

OK, let's up the stakes:

All Good Things Enterprise-D, the 3-nacelle, cloaked, phaser cannon sporting monster


VS

Endgame Voyager, the Borg cube killing cocoon armored transwarp conduit destroyer


Fight!

Both are using Future tech from alternate timelines, at roughly the same amount of years into the future.
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Old July 29 2013, 10:06 AM   #134
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

Defiant Obrien wrote: View Post
Not sure why this interests me... But i just wanted to point out, this is all relative. Here are some of the facts that I remember:

* Galaxy Class was considered the most advanced as far as luxuries, size and armament.

* Intrepid class was considered FASTER but it is smaller.
(Galaxy class max warp is 9.3 .. Intrepid is 9.9 )

(and isnt the "faster" argument moot??? there is no gravity or inertia in space)
Not at warp speed, which breaks physics, bends space and time and is kinda magical.
* Galaxy Class standard crew compliment is 900-1000 ... but can hold upto 4000 in a pinch (like doing an evacuation for example).
vs Intrepid compliment is 140-160 .


* Also being larger means galaxy class can hold more shuttles / torpedos / probes...
Please! Voyager launched with a compliment of 39 photon torpedoes and "no way to replace them after they're gone"... and used 93 before they got home
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Old July 29 2013, 10:46 AM   #135
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

TheSubCommander wrote: View Post
OK, let's up the stakes:

All Good Things Enterprise-D, the 3-nacelle, cloaked, phaser cannon sporting monster


VS

Endgame Voyager, the Borg cube killing cocoon armored transwarp conduit destroyer


Fight!

Both are using Future tech from alternate timelines, at roughly the same amount of years into the future.
The alternate Enterprise-D. The thing had a BFG!!!! Not to mention Warp 13.
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