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Old July 27 2013, 03:50 PM   #76
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Pornstache is awesome and tragic!

He's a How NOT to guide.

His comeuppence, and they're not there by half already, is go be awesome.

Pornbeard is worse.
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Old July 27 2013, 04:25 PM   #77
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I think someone was asking what Kate's FB page was posting lately; here's one that just appeared in my news feed:

Critics At Large: Orange is the New Black: Not Your Father’s Prison Series

http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2013/07...k-netflix.html
Nice one!

Here's another.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacelacob/wh...h-orange-is-th

And a cast of characters/actors...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzma...-the-new-black

Of course, not everyone agrees with us, but then again some people prefer to play the contrarian.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/07/26/or...the-new-black/

At least Denise admits she stopped after just three episodes.

Can you believe she dropped it because of Alex's eyebrows (I personally have issues with her hair color) and 1 scene with a bloody tampon, 1 with regurgitating peppers and 1 of public urination??

God help us if she made it to the final scene of the finale!

I can understand how she feels about the "all men are terrible" charge... then again she did stop watching too soon. Lots of women get smeared with that charge in this series... and not just the ones in the prison.

If she hung around, she would understand more about the life of desperation many of these men (and women) lead, she would also meet a great fellow named Baptiste who thus far has done nothing worse than marry someone besides Miss Claudette... and deliver girls to work in the "merry maids" sweat shop.

I can definitely see how she might not "like" the protagonist. What Denise doesn't realize it that she doesn't have to like Piper to enjoy the show. Piper may be the "everywoman", our entrance in to the prison drama... but like most of us she is found lacking in some/many ways.

The point of her/our journey is to face our faults and find a way to rise above them.

I think its funny that Denise complains that stuff that happens in the series didn't happen in the book.

The book was a memoir based on Piper Kerman's life in jail.

The series took that skeleton of an idea about a transient money transporting lesbian for a drug cartel turned yuppie heterosexual fiancée headed for prison and ran with it in ways that make advertisers and subscriber seeking media companies sit up and take notice.

I certainly did.
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I think its funny that Denise complains that stuff that happens in the series didn't happen in the book.

The book was a memoir based on Piper Kerman's life in jail.

The series took that skeleton of an idea about a transient money transporting lesbian for a drug cartel turned yuppie heterosexual fiancée headed for prison and ran with it in ways that make advertisers and subscriber seeking media companies sit up and take notice.

I certainly did.

Yes indeed. From reading some reviews of the book, it seems her actual memoir may show little remorse (it's just a dumb thing she did in her '20s and got caught doing), not much self-searching in prison, and is more self-serving than what Jenji Kohan has come up with here.
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Old July 28 2013, 12:54 AM   #79
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JRulez thanks for your great reviews, keep it up!

I was thinking how you have these fucked up people in prison who get fleshed out as real sympathetic characters you understand and it's great but all the people outside of prison are still cardboard self absorbed prats.

That silly friend pressuring Piper to make a call about her soap business from prison, my god just get your shit together and get someone to help you and build up your business so your supposed bestie has something to come home to. So how did she end up so silly? We don't get to see this because the story is dull like so many people who have had entitled lives.

The mother is PAINFUL PAINFUL PAINFUL I can't imagine being that person if my kid was in prison. I would devote my entire year to supporting them and listening to them and not saying any judgmental things to them. The mother seems too much of a caricature when I'm watching it but then I remember that if I was in prison my mother would 100% be making negative comments about my hair every visit. And suddenly it seems quite realistic

Larry is just way way way in over his head and he was long before Piper got arrested. She's erratic and he's easy to push around on her whims and he hasn't yet understood how unjelled her personality is. Because he is quite jelled, he's a lump of Jello.

We have lilly pilly flavoured jelly here, and sometimes jello, I bet that would make a great artisinal soap. Purple and tangy and perfumey. But Larry isn't that interesting.

Anyway.. the story of how these people got to be such self absorbed gits might not be very interesting. As to pornstache I think he was dropped on his head a few times as a baby. It IS interesting to see that he's not only a grade A abusive asshole he's also utterly fucked up in his own head. Not that it engenders any compassion.
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Old July 28 2013, 12:57 AM   #80
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Of course, not everyone agrees with us, but then again some people prefer to play the contrarian.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/07/26/or...the-new-black/

At least Denise admits she stopped after just three episodes.

Can you believe she dropped it because of Alex's eyebrows (I personally have issues with her hair color) and 1 scene with a bloody tampon, 1 with regurgitating peppers and 1 of public urination??
She is weak.
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Old July 28 2013, 01:25 AM   #81
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JanewayRulz! wrote: View Post
Of course, not everyone agrees with us, but then again some people prefer to play the contrarian.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/07/26/or...the-new-black/

At least Denise admits she stopped after just three episodes.

Can you believe she dropped it because of Alex's eyebrows (I personally have issues with her hair color) and 1 scene with a bloody tampon, 1 with regurgitating peppers and 1 of public urination??
She is weak.
Indubitably.



I SOOOOO wanted Red to tell Alex... "No soup for you!"

Hmmm, do you think Alex tried to offer Red something else to get back on her good side before Red settled on the 45 minute foot rub?
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Old July 28 2013, 01:50 AM   #83
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She collects daughters not wives.

Former Voyager Guest Star Lori "Tank Girl" Petty Played a hard ass called "Daddy" in the final season of prison Break ruling over a elite cabal of prison lesbians who publicly impersonated a 1950's nuclear family when they were not having orgies after lights out.
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Old July 28 2013, 02:03 AM   #84
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JRulez thanks for your great reviews, keep it up!

I was thinking how you have these fucked up people in prison who get fleshed out as real sympathetic characters you understand and it's great but all the people outside of prison are still cardboard self absorbed prats.

That silly friend pressuring Piper to make a call about her soap business from prison, my god just get your shit together and get someone to help you and build up your business so your supposed bestie has something to come home to. So how did she end up so silly? We don't get to see this because the story is dull like so many people who have had entitled lives.

The mother is PAINFUL PAINFUL PAINFUL I can't imagine being that person if my kid was in prison. I would devote my entire year to supporting them and listening to them and not saying any judgmental things to them. The mother seems too much of a caricature when I'm watching it but then I remember that if I was in prison my mother would 100% be making negative comments about my hair every visit. And suddenly it seems quite realistic

Larry is just way way way in over his head and he was long before Piper got arrested. She's erratic and he's easy to push around on her whims and he hasn't yet understood how unjelled her personality is. Because he is quite jelled, he's a lump of Jello.

We have lilly pilly flavoured jelly here, and sometimes jello, I bet that would make a great artisinal soap. Purple and tangy and perfumey. But Larry isn't that interesting.

Anyway.. the story of how these people got to be such self absorbed gits might not be very interesting. As to pornstache I think he was dropped on his head a few times as a baby. It IS interesting to see that he's not only a grade A abusive asshole he's also utterly fucked up in his own head. Not that it engenders any compassion.
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Do you think Pornstache has already figured out that the newbie was fooling around with the Hispanic girl (Daya?) and that he was lured into the sex act TO GET CAUGHT? He's been teasing Bennett so much that I feel like he's yanking his chain on purpose. I don't see him falling in "love"... but I do fear him trying to take possession of the baby once its born.

So many of the people outside of prison ARE self absorbed prats... and not just the rich/well to do ones.

Tiffany was aborting her 5th baby because she didn't want to be jailed for endangering the fetus with her drug use, and didn't want to give up drugs. Unfortunately she did give up the idea of birth control.

Marcus/Sophia wanted that perfect female body, no matter what the cost to his integrity, his wife, his son. Gosh, do you realize he/she was stealing from people who had already been violated by the fires that destroyed their homes? How cruel is that?

Alex ran away from her poor life and her mother working 2 jobs to live an adventure. She played the international "playgirl" with her lover at her side until she made the fatal mistake ... she involved her lover in a crime. That wasn't bad enough... AFTER her lover completed the task, Alex explained what would have happened if Piper had failed.

She would have been killed.

Golly... I am so SHOCKED that Piper finally realized this wasn't a game and wanted to get out before someone killed her.

Not.

Just like I'm not shocked that Piper wouldn't go home with her drug cartel partner for the mother's funeral.

I don't know if you recall how TD Possum would scour the photos of Mulgrew for background detail. Well, I've started to do that with this show. In ep 4... Alex is lying on the library floor, reading a book called "The Glass Castle" by J Walls.

Wiki says this about the book.

Jeannette Walls is the author and the voice of The Glass Castle. The memoir is told from her point of view, beginning with her unconventional childhood and culminating in her adult success as an editor, journalist, and writer.
The narrative deals with the complex relationship Jeannette and her siblings had with their parents due to the extreme poverty that defined their chaotic childhoods, during which they frequently had no food, wore threadbare and unwashed clothes, were bullied and attacked by other children, and were repeatedly uprooted so that their parents could make a fresh start in another town.

All I could think of, was the different paths these two women's lives took, from similar circumstances. How must it feel, being in prison WITH your former lover whom you betrayed, while reading about the legitimate success of another poor kid from the wrong side of the tracks.

There but for the grace of God... (and Tiffany) go I?

So many people just muddle their way through life until something really good or really bad interferes and makes them take stock.

The problem with these people outside of prison (Larry, Piper's brother Calvin, her mother, her best friend... ) is that there's nothing MAKING them open their eyes to this opportunity to mature.

I get the feeling that Larry's Dad is the most realistic, and although irritating, his mother is 2nd in the reality contest. They KNOW their son, they know how flighty he is, not to mention how flighty Piper is too. Hell, they have been supporting Piper and Larry (along the Piper's folks' contribution). Proposing before prison? Like she's gonna get a lot of offers while in there? Selling her story on NPR while actively dodging her calls for a week... dodging her calls after she's gone through the SHU? Who does that? Talking like the conversation is between him and the correspondent only, like they don't have radios in prison? HELLO????

Maybe he'll catch a clue when the rent comes due and he can't pay it without the money from "Barneys".
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Pornstache has an IQ of 70.

Someone has to tell George how he is being manipulated using very small words, and then he will react stupidly, end up in Prison himself in his own spinoff where no matter what happens he's raped at the end of every episode by someone twice his size.

Just remember... Pornstache used to be the Sexy dangerous soldier Boy on Weeds... Oh and he played a sexy yoga instructor medium, his Zen was super sexy...

He was on the Wire?

How fucking old is this guy?

(35 apparently.)

Oh look, he was on the Black Donnelly's with Kate.

Small world?
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It's a great show! Watched it in 3 mini binges.
I'm looking forward to it myself.
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Did you ever see breakout Kings? Good show. US Marshalls hunting prison escapees. 3rd episode of first season, and they're hunting Tea Bag from Prison break, how hard is it to get the rights for Tea Bag? He has a habit of getting "stuff" cut off... Do you have to have had a sex change, or is simple castration enough of box tick to allow one to be moved over to the woman's prison?

Although Theodore would never get placed in minimum security.
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Pornstache has an IQ of 70....

Just remember... Pornstache used to be the Sexy dangerous soldier Boy on Weeds... Oh and he played a sexy yoga instructor medium, his Zen was super sexy...

He was on the Wire?

How fucking old is this guy?

(35 apparently.)

Oh look, he was on the Black Donnelly's with Kate.

Small world?
At least he wasn't a "Donnelly". It would have been weird two have TWO former "offspring" work with Kate on this series.

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Episode #4 "Imaginary Enemies"

AKA the first ep Denise at ew.com did NOT watch before she abandoned the show.

Her loss.

For those of you who binged this last week and don't remember which one this is... I have one word for you.

Screwdriver.

That covers only 10 % of the important stuff in this ep... but its a decent place holder.

In the previous ep, Piper was finally assigned a bed in the dorms, and of course this nice white suburbanite was placed "in the ghetto" which is local slang for "the black barracks". It was a telling moment because we discovered that "Red" isn't the only one around here with "power". Miss Claudette didn't like the attitude she was getting from her new black roomie, and not only had her moved, but had Piper replace her.

Piper's attitude may have been more to Miss Claudette's liking, but Piper brought a hell of a lot of drama with her, evidenced by Crazy Eyes peeing on their floor at 2 am to protest Piper's rejection of her romantic advances.

Episode 4 opens with a freaked out Piper kneeling on the floor, trying to quietly mop up the urine with maxi-pads while Miss Claudette quietly lowers the "boom" on the "poor little rich girl".

It was funny and distressing... but the intriguing thing wasn't Piper's predicament, it was the flashback to a young teen aged Claudette being introduced to an elevator for the first time (Its a magic box that flies) en-route to her first meeting with her new Haitian-American owner who will take care of her until Claudette works off her parent's debt. Oh, and speaking of romance, the one thing that shy uncertain Claudette seems to imprint upon, is the young Baptiste who drove her to her new life, especially after he promised he would not allow anyone to hurt her.

"My hero".

Its always amazing how much they can pack into these shows without commercials. TPTB get another 14 minutes of story telling per ep, and man did they use it this time to great advantage.

We meet Mercy who worked for Red in the kitchen, but who will soon be released to the big bad world. Red has already lined her up with a job, shitty though it may be, and her friends are dividing up the belongings she will not take with her to her new life. Two of the things she'll be leaving behind are her former lover... the short, overweight lesbian with the BUTCH tattoo on her right arm (Boo) and her current lover, the skinny blond emaciated girl (Tricia) with the throat tattoo. We learn there's quite a bit of Peyton Place going on in the prison, with Mercy taunting Boo, Boo taunting Tricia, Boo getting a previous lover stuck in prison an extra 2 years by arranging an ambush... oh... it was all so sordid the way Red described it.

And of course... since Red did describe it, we are on pins and needles waiting for the rumble to go down.

But wait we must, because Piper has finally been assigned a job. Where would you put a yuppie with no practical skills who was a "TA" in college?

Right... the electrical shop.

The fun thing is that's where Nikki works, and I really came to love Nikki in this episode. She was funny in the shop, she was funny on lunch break... she was helpful when she explained why Piper had to lay on the floor when an alarm went off... she was hilarious when she explained what the SHU (the place a fellow inmate went when the screw driver came up missing) was like. "Its like the Hamptons... only f-king horrible!"

As fun as she was... the love came in Nikki's dealings with the hard boiled Alex in this ep.

Alex tried to help out, decorating the common room for Mercy's going away party, but she wasn't sufficiently respectful and so was "disinvited" by Tricia. Alex showed up to use the microwave during the party and was dissed by Tricia and (?) Gloria. She can't go to her bunk, since her Bunkie is holding bible study and handing out boarding passes for the coming "Rapture" so she ends up in the prison library where Tastee is giving a great review of Ulysses ("All that rambling is bullshit") and there Nikki probes Alex's psyche. (Really... NOT a euphemism for sex this time. )

Nikki had a real bonding moment with Alex as she literally gave her fellow inmate a shoulder to cry on. It was so sweet.

Much sweeter than the bonding moment Piper and Miss Claudette had when there was a sweep through all the rooms to find the missing screwdriver. LOVED Miss Claudette's quick thinking/hiding place. LOVED her logic re: why Piper couldn't simply drop it in the yard for someone to find. "What if your peeing admirer finds it and stabs your tall girlfriend in the eye with it? Then you are an accessory to murder!"

Hey... when did everyone find out about Piper and Alex? Did a memo go out?
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Natasha Leon tricked the information out of Piper in the library, but she's no rat.

"She said you were a squirter"

"I never Squ -- Oh, there was that once, but that was comple --- "

"What? oh my god! I was shitting you! but it's true!?"
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You don't have such hateful vibes about someone you've never met before.
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It was funny and distressing... but the intriguing thing wasn't Piper's predicament, it was the flashback to a young teen aged Claudette being introduced to an elevator for the first time (Its a magic box that flies) en-route to her first meeting with her new Haitian-American owner who will take care of her until Claudette works off her parent's debt. Oh, and speaking of romance, the one thing that shy uncertain Claudette seems to imprint upon, is the young Baptiste who drove her to her new life, especially after he promised he would not allow anyone to hurt her.
Oh is THAT who all those people were, god I was confused. So the young Claudette grows up to do her own trafficking of young girls into the cleaning industry?
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