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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.35%
A 161 21.64%
A- 100 13.44%
B+ 82 11.02%
B 58 7.80%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.84%
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Old July 27 2013, 01:09 PM   #4546
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Looked and felt like Trek to me.
"Looked and felt" perhaps, but still just a facsimile. It's not real Star Trek.

Or whatever...
Not to you. To me, it was. YMMV. This forum would be so much nicer if everyone could just accept that others have a different opinion about wether or not this was a good film.
I loved it!! Good for me!! Other's don't. Just as good for them!!
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Old July 27 2013, 01:48 PM   #4547
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Looked and felt like Trek to me.
"Looked and felt" perhaps, but still just a facsimile. It's not real Star Trek.

Or whatever...
Not to you. To me, it was. YMMV. This forum would be so much nicer if everyone could just accept that others have a different opinion about wether or not this was a good film.
I loved it!! Good for me!! Other's don't. Just as good for them!!
I think CorporalClegg was being sarcastic.
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Old July 27 2013, 02:20 PM   #4548
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I give it a D-. I thought visually it was nice. The story was unoriginal. There were so many plot holes I don't know where to begin. It was a good action sci fi film but it wasn't Star Trek even with its little homages to prime universe Trek. I just think JJ Abrams is more suited for Star Wars type films. I cannot get used to that beer factory engine room or the bridge with a window/view screen with light glares bouncing off it. Sorry, as much as I love Trek I cannot get into this version.
So, I suppose ST:TMP (being unoriginal as it was a remake of the perevious episode "The Changeling"; as well as being full of p[lot holes) "wasn't Star Trek" either?
Well, if you peeled the bad art direction & moronic splitfocus diopters off TMP it was still something resembling TREK underneath, just that the characters were in a different place in their lives.

But if you stopped aiming every light at the camera in the Abrams, and also discarded the ludicrous brewery and the rest of the contemporary welds, you'd STILL have something that didn't resemble trek underneath.

So I would not concur.

Is there any criticism that isn't just pure nitpicking?

Abramstrek isn't like the old Star Trek because Spock is behaving like a psychopath, Kirk is a playboy hot shot who likes to execute bad guys and makes really stupid decisions, they made Starfleet a lot more militaristic, and made the 23rd century way too contemporary, and went away from the idea that Trek needs to convey some sort of message in an entertaining fashion, in favor of hollow sci fi action. And a lot more points that differ.

What is it with people and their split focus diopters, plot holes, breweries or lens flares? All those nitpicks are not the reason why the new films aren't remotely close to original Star Trek.
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Old July 27 2013, 04:47 PM   #4549
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Abramstrek isn't like the old Star Trek because Spock is behaving like a psychopath...
I imagine watching your mother die and losing your planet can affect you psychologically.

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Kirk is a playboy hot shot who likes to execute bad guys and makes really stupid decisions...
Young, inexperienced people often make poor decisions. Kirk also executed Chang in The Undiscovered Country. After obviously crippling the Bird-of-Prey, he didn't even offer surrender as an option.

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they made Starfleet a lot more militaristic...
No more militaristic than TOS.

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and made the 23rd century way too contemporary...
There is a more mechanical feel to the technology. But that is a stylistic choice.

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and went away from the idea that Trek needs to convey some sort of message in an entertaining fashion, in favor of hollow sci fi action. And a lot more points that differ.
Star Trek Into Darkness conveyed a message just fine.
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Old July 27 2013, 05:47 PM   #4550
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Spock acting like a psychopath is pretty common in TOS.
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Old July 27 2013, 07:26 PM   #4551
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Spock acting like a psychopath is pretty common in TOS.
Amok Time, mating urge or not, no other crew member smashed up half the ship just because they were horny.
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Old July 27 2013, 08:24 PM   #4552
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Star Trek Into Darkness conveyed a message just fine.
What message would that be?
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Old July 27 2013, 08:30 PM   #4553
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You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Khan
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Old July 27 2013, 08:33 PM   #4554
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Kirk is a playboy hot shot who likes to execute bad guys and makes really stupid decisions...
Young, inexperienced people often make poor decisions. Kirk also executed Chang in The Undiscovered Country. After obviously crippling the Bird-of-Prey, he didn't even offer surrender as an option.
Hmm. That's not how I remember it. Enterprise was being fired upon by a cloaked ship ...

"It's gotta have a tailpipe." "Doctor, would you care to assist me?" "Lock and load, Jim!" "Fire!"

Meanwhile, on Excelsior ... "Target that explosion and fire."

That's not an execution. That's defending your ship and crew from an aggressive, merciless attack. If the aggressor was destroyed in the process, oh well. Bad day for him.

IMO, YMMV, yeah.
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Old July 27 2013, 08:37 PM   #4555
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Kirk is a playboy hot shot who likes to execute bad guys and makes really stupid decisions...
Young, inexperienced people often make poor decisions. Kirk also executed Chang in The Undiscovered Country. After obviously crippling the Bird-of-Prey, he didn't even offer surrender as an option.
Hmm. That's not how I remember it. Enterprise was being fired upon by a cloaked ship ...

"It's gotta have a tailpipe." "Doctor, would you care to assist me?" "Lock and load, Jim!" "Fire!"

Meanwhile, on Excelsior ... "Target that explosion and fire."

That's not an execution. That's defending your ship and crew from an aggressive, merciless attack. If the aggressor was destroyed in the process, oh well. Bad day for him.

IMO, YMMV, yeah.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Old July 27 2013, 08:46 PM   #4556
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Young, inexperienced people often make poor decisions. Kirk also executed Chang in The Undiscovered Country. After obviously crippling the Bird-of-Prey, he didn't even offer surrender as an option.
Hmm. That's not how I remember it. Enterprise was being fired upon by a cloaked ship ...

"It's gotta have a tailpipe." "Doctor, would you care to assist me?" "Lock and load, Jim!" "Fire!"

Meanwhile, on Excelsior ... "Target that explosion and fire."

That's not an execution. That's defending your ship and crew from an aggressive, merciless attack. If the aggressor was destroyed in the process, oh well. Bad day for him.

IMO, YMMV, yeah.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
OK, please explain how killing an enemy who is engaging in an unprovoked act of war is the same as execution.

Just so I can understand.
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OK, please explain how killing an enemy who is engaging in an unprovoked act of war is the same as execution.

Just so I can understand.
Was anyone monitoring the Bird-of-Prey? Did they send a hail offering surrender after obviously crippling it with the first shot?

A single, uncloaked Bird-of-Prey would be no match for two capital Starfleet ships.
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Old July 27 2013, 09:10 PM   #4558
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Hmm. That's not how I remember it. Enterprise was being fired upon by a cloaked ship ...

"It's gotta have a tailpipe." "Doctor, would you care to assist me?" "Lock and load, Jim!" "Fire!"

Meanwhile, on Excelsior ... "Target that explosion and fire."

That's not an execution. That's defending your ship and crew from an aggressive, merciless attack. If the aggressor was destroyed in the process, oh well. Bad day for him.

IMO, YMMV, yeah.
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OK, please explain how killing an enemy who is engaging in an unprovoked act of war is the same as execution.

Just so I can understand.
Nero was an enemy combatant who blew up an entire planet and killed the majority of its population, destroyed a fleet of ships and killed countless Starfleet personnel, attempted to destroy a second planet, kidnapped and tortured a Starfleet Captain, was in the possession of weapons of mass destruction and was battling the Enterprise. He also refused surrender. Killing him was not an execution any more than killing Chang was. Both were enemies who were engaging in unprovoked acts of war
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Old July 27 2013, 09:16 PM   #4559
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And it's not like Kirk didn't ask for Nero's surrender.




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And it's not like Kirk didn't ask for Nero's surrender.




Twice.
Starfleet regulations require you ask three times. Kirk would know that if he attended classes.
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