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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.28%
A 161 21.55%
A- 101 13.52%
B+ 83 11.11%
B 58 7.76%
B- 27 3.61%
C+ 40 5.35%
C 38 5.09%
C- 25 3.35%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.82%
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Old July 25 2013, 06:38 PM   #4531
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Scotty says, "We've been down here since last night" so I figure they landed under the cover of darkness. And probably several miles further out.
Seems hard to believe no one would hear it, though. Thanks for the answer.
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Old July 25 2013, 06:39 PM   #4532
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Here's a question that may have been answered already.

Did Mudd's ship have warp drive? If not, how did it get from "the edge of the Neutral Zone" to Kronos?

Or is the edge of the Neutral Zone somehow at sublight distance from Kronos?
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Old July 25 2013, 08:24 PM   #4533
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I assume it had warp drive. And that it's the same ship from "Mudd's Women"
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Old July 26 2013, 08:08 AM   #4534
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I assume it had warp drive. And that it's the same ship from "Mudd's Women"
Oh, wow. That's actually kind of brilliant, if it was intentional.
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Old July 26 2013, 08:27 AM   #4535
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So, I suppose ST:TMP (being unoriginal as it was a remake of the perevious episode "The Changeling"; as well as being full of p[lot holes) "wasn't Star Trek" either?
In it's day that's exactly what was said. Extremely confusing for this then-newbie enthusiastic fan.
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Old July 26 2013, 10:50 AM   #4536
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I assume it had warp drive. And that it's the same ship from "Mudd's Women"
Oh, wow. That's actually kind of brilliant, if it was intentional.
I'm sure it was. ID was by far the fanwankiest Trek film ever. I can picture Harry Mudd piloting away from the Enterprise, the women sat in the back room where Cupcake and whateverhisnamewas were during the chase on Kronos.
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Old July 26 2013, 11:55 AM   #4537
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ID was by far the fanwankiest Trek film ever. I can picture Harry Mudd piloting away from the Enterprise, the women sat in the back room where Cupcake and whateverhisnamewas were during the chase on Kronos.
Although readers of "Countdown to Darkness" know that the ship had passed to Mudd's daughter, and it had been used in the incident with April.
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Old July 26 2013, 09:59 PM   #4538
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I give it a D-. I thought visually it was nice. The story was unoriginal. There were so many plot holes I don't know where to begin. It was a good action sci fi film but it wasn't Star Trek even with its little homages to prime universe Trek. I just think JJ Abrams is more suited for Star Wars type films. I cannot get used to that beer factory engine room or the bridge with a window/view screen with light glares bouncing off it. Sorry, as much as I love Trek I cannot get into this version.
So, I suppose ST:TMP (being unoriginal as it was a remake of the perevious episode "The Changeling"; as well as being full of p[lot holes) "wasn't Star Trek" either?
Well, if you peeled the bad art direction & moronic splitfocus diopters off TMP it was still something resembling TREK underneath, just that the characters were in a different place in their lives.

But if you stopped aiming every light at the camera in the Abrams, and also discarded the ludicrous brewery and the rest of the contemporary welds, you'd STILL have something that didn't resemble trek underneath.

So I would not concur.
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Old July 26 2013, 10:34 PM   #4539
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I give it a D-. I thought visually it was nice. The story was unoriginal. There were so many plot holes I don't know where to begin. It was a good action sci fi film but it wasn't Star Trek even with its little homages to prime universe Trek. I just think JJ Abrams is more suited for Star Wars type films. I cannot get used to that beer factory engine room or the bridge with a window/view screen with light glares bouncing off it. Sorry, as much as I love Trek I cannot get into this version.
So, I suppose ST:TMP (being unoriginal as it was a remake of the perevious episode "The Changeling"; as well as being full of p[lot holes) "wasn't Star Trek" either?
Well, if you peeled the bad art direction & moronic splitfocus diopters off TMP it was still something resembling TREK underneath, just that the characters were in a different place in their lives.

But if you stopped aiming every light at the camera in the Abrams, and also discarded the ludicrous brewery and the rest of the contemporary welds, you'd STILL have something that didn't resemble trek underneath.

So I would not concur.
Filmmaking is art.

Those who produce the films we pay our hard earned money to see make artistic decisions all the time, from start to finish. If you don't like their choices, fine.

What artistic choices would you have made if you were making films in the 1970s? In the 1980s? The 90s, or 2000s, or today?

I see things in movies that I wouldn't do the same way, but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the choices that were made in the process of putting a film together.

It's easy to criticize. Not so easy to do.
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Old July 26 2013, 10:48 PM   #4540
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But if you stopped aiming every light at the camera in the Abrams, and also discarded the ludicrous brewery and the rest of the contemporary welds, you'd STILL have something that didn't resemble trek underneath.
Looked and felt like Trek to me.
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Old July 26 2013, 11:07 PM   #4541
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Looked and felt like Trek to me.
"Looked and felt" perhaps, but still just a facsimile. It's not real Star Trek.

Or whatever...
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Old July 26 2013, 11:10 PM   #4542
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Curse us, the false Trekkies, unable to see the holy light of truth and differentiate between true and false Star Trek.

Perhaps it's retina damage from all the lens flares.
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Old July 26 2013, 11:35 PM   #4543
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"Looked and felt" perhaps, but still just a facsimile. It's not real Star Trek.

Or whatever...
I was told constantly, in 1980, that I'll never be a "real" Star Trek fan because I wasn't allowed to watch it in the 60s. And that's probably also why I liked such "inferior copies" as TAS and TMP.
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Old July 27 2013, 10:40 AM   #4544
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Well, if you peeled the bad art direction & moronic splitfocus diopters off TMP it was still something resembling TREK underneath, just that the characters were in a different place in their lives.

But if you stopped aiming every light at the camera in the Abrams, and also discarded the ludicrous brewery and the rest of the contemporary welds, you'd STILL have something that didn't resemble trek underneath.

So I would not concur.
It's the other way around. One of the two movies is closer to the original series in terms of mood and presentation, and TMP isn't it.

But TMP was made in 1979, so it gets a pass, I see.
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One of the two movies is closer to the original series in terms of mood and presentation, and TMP isn't it.

But TMP was made in 1979, so it gets a pass, I see.
In the "Best of Trek" paperbacks that came out after TMP, fans were debating how TMP could actually be shunted into some sort of alternate universe, a universe where its Spock and McCoy could turn their backs on their friendship with Kirk, where Klingons resemble "Munchkins", where Starfleet uniforms look like pyjamas, and where Kirk would accept a promotion that takes him away from his first, best destiny.
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