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Old July 23 2013, 03:08 PM   #331
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There was also this preview clip of Agent Carter.

Hayley Atwell's Peggy is easily my favourite MCU female character, so I'm sad that we essentially lost her to the time jump, though I guess that actually just means the time jump was effectively portrayed.

I love Sharon in the comics, though, so I hope the crew and EVC get her right.
That was great. Looking forward to the rest of the 14minutes of that short!!

On the topic of Black Widow I firmly believe that after the backstory nuggets given in The Avengers + her involvement in The Winter Soldier + TA2(whatever might come out there) that Black Widow will be as primed as any female comic character to launch at least one solo theatrical project. I don't even think you'd need "heavy" doses of Hawkeye. I think including him is actually necessary due to their history as mentioned in TA but it could just be a flashback moment or two.
A BW film could include other SHIELD that we've seen in some of these shorts such as Max Hernandez's Agent Stillwell, toss in Coulson and Maria Hill for added win. If they don't intro him in the Ant-Man film there is Agent Eric O'Grady of course. A womanizing Agent like that might prove some interesting banter with Natasha.
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Old July 23 2013, 03:10 PM   #332
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I'd love to see a Black Widow movie. I just have zero interest in seeing one with Scarlett Johansson.
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Old July 24 2013, 03:48 AM   #333
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I would love to see a ScarJo Black Widow movie.
Marvel has plenty of interesting female characters, it would be nice if they would give one of them a chance and give her a movie.
I would think that after the success of Hunger Games, studios would be more willing to take a chance on female lead action movies. We've had plenty of proof over the decades that if the movie is good, people will come.
EDIT: In the last few years, we've also had Snow White & The Huntsman, Brave, and Salt. All of which were in the top 25 movies of their year, and made over 100M $.
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Old July 24 2013, 02:13 PM   #334
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As I said, it's not exclusively about Black Widow. It boggles my mind that Anne Hathaway didn't get a Catwoman spinoff as soon as audiences and critics raved about her breakout performance. She was the most consistently well-received part of The Dark Knight Rises, praised even by critics who disliked the rest of the film, and there was a lot of buzz about how she deserved a spinoff -- yet there doesn't seem to have been any serious studio interest in one.
To the general audience, Catwoman is known as a villain, and for a film (and its expenses) that is a gamble. Even in the native format, how many bad guys have successfully headlined a comic? Nowhere near the level of the heroes. That's not just because of lacking creative teams, but perception: most only want to see comic-based villains as elements in a hero story.

In my opinion, a Catwoman film is spreading DC's new movie capital too thin, when it should be reserved for their A list heroes.



And we've just heard about a long-term DC development slate that includes Sandman and Aquaman, but no mention of Wonder Woman, the third-most important character in the entire DC pantheon.
The WW issue makes no sense--but I think the problem rests with the various ideas we have seen, such as the thankfully cancelled TV series or some of Whedon's ideas for a film: if it cannot be revisionist in one way or another, WB will not touch it, as the classic WW is not "appealing" to those still suffering from knee-jerk reactions (possibly politcally correct) to the memory of Lynda Carter.

The problem with the argument that female-led movies aren't profitable is that it's based on an underlying double standard. If a movie with a male lead bombs, nobody ever blames that failure on the sex of the movie's lead; they recognize that it had a bad script or bad acting or bad directing or bad promotion or whatever. But when films like Elektra and Catwoman bombed, the studios immediately jumped to the conclusion that they failed because they had female leads -- which is insane when you consider how many enormous flaws both movies had that are far more obvious explanations for their failure. (I actually kind of like Elektra, but I recognize it's got a lot of weaknesses and its appeal is cultish at best.) It's a spurious correlation. They're not deriving a conclusion from the evidence, they're selectively interpreting the evidence as validation for their pre-existing assumptions. The exclusion of women came first. The financial argument is just the excuse for perpetuating it.

You can take that position, but remember, action and/or fantasy films are overwhelmingly supported by males--they are the key target. To studios, they appear to be willing to take more chances on other male character films in the wake of bombs, because they know one (or more) have a chance to score big (particularly if based on well established male character sources).

Female-helmed films are not as appealing, so when they fail, it simply justifies the lack of investment in other female character movies, as they are not seen as potential blockbusters in the first place--a revealing comment on audience perception, more than that of producers.
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Old July 24 2013, 05:19 PM   #335
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It boggles my mind that Anne Hathaway didn't get a Catwoman spinoff as soon as audiences and critics raved about her breakout performance. She was the most consistently well-received part of The Dark Knight Rises, praised even by critics who disliked the rest of the film, and there was a lot of buzz about how she deserved a spinoff -- yet there doesn't seem to have been any serious studio interest in one.
But when would such a film take place? Would it be a TDKR prequel? What's the character supposed to be doing after TDKR?
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Old July 24 2013, 05:31 PM   #336
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I was wondering the same thing. I suspect she would have no interest in doing it. Hathaway seems like the type of actress who wants to do a variety of different roles.
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Old July 24 2013, 06:05 PM   #337
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She has actually said she would love to do a Catwoman spin-off... if Nolan were directing.
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Old July 25 2013, 04:28 AM   #338
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Are the Howling Commandos in CA:TWS?
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Old July 25 2013, 06:53 AM   #339
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That's really interesting. In the comic, some of the former members joined SHIELD. I'm wondering though, if we are ever going to get Nick Fury's back story. Obviously he was no longer the founder of the Howling Commandos.
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Fury was probably not part of the Howlers for Marvel Cinema'Verse purposes.

I can't see them not doing something with/about this version's backstory, though. Exactly which venue it's done in is another matter.

As for a Black Widow movie? I'll be there for it if it happens. And I'd prefer Johansson.
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Old July 25 2013, 08:51 PM   #341
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Fury was probably not part of the Howlers for Marvel Cinema'Verse purposes.

I can't see them not doing something with/about this version's backstory, though. Exactly which venue it's done in is another matter.

As for a Black Widow movie? I'll be there for it if it happens. And I'd prefer Johansson.
There was talk of doing a young Nick Fury/Dum Dum Dugan team-up for the "Marvel One-Shot" that eventually became "Agent Carter".

Details on this and other "One-Shots" that didn't happen and the possibilty of a Black Widow movie here.
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Old July 25 2013, 08:55 PM   #342
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^I love it that doing female-led shorts like Item 47 and Agent Carter is meant to try to build audience demand for a female-led feature. I just wish they'd show the shorts in theaters!
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Old July 26 2013, 04:40 PM   #343
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It would be interesting if "Nick Fury" is just a name the various heads of S.H.I.E.L.D. have used over the years. Perhaps Jackson's character has not really lost an eye. Its really a visual interface device and a tribute to a predecessor and giving the wrong impression of a limitation.
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It would be interesting if "Nick Fury" is just a name the various heads of S.H.I.E.L.D. have used over the years. Perhaps Jackson's character has not really lost an eye. Its really a visual interface device and a tribute to a predecessor and giving the wrong impression of a limitation.
So, the "Jame Bond" theory?
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It would be interesting if "Nick Fury" is just a name the various heads of S.H.I.E.L.D. have used over the years. Perhaps Jackson's character has not really lost an eye. Its really a visual interface device and a tribute to a predecessor and giving the wrong impression of a limitation.
So, the "Jame Bond" theory?
Yeah but it would make a LOT more sense here! Its just him and these films are relevantly new. With Bond it does not explain all the other characters or the few references to his back story.
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