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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 12 2013, 04:58 PM   #16
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

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There. Is. No. Curse.
But there are four lights!


Trying so hard not to laugh out loud in the office right now.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:13 PM   #17
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

Viewing them with my fan hat off and critic hat on, I'd rate 'em:

Star Trek 1 - 7/10
Star Trek 2 - 10/10
Star Trek 3 - 7/10
Star Trek 4 - 6/10
Sar Trek 5 - 6/10
Star Trek 6 - 8/10
Star Trek 7 - 2/10
Star Trek 8 - 7/10
Star Trek 9 - 6/10
Star Trek 10 - 5/10

Nah, no curse. Just a fun, yet mediocre film franchise with one utter fucking masterpiece tucked in there.
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Old June 13 2013, 11:00 PM   #18
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

DalekJim wrote: View Post
Viewing them with my fan hat off and critic hat on, I'd rate 'em:

Star Trek 1 - 7/10
Star Trek 2 - 10/10
Star Trek 3 - 7/10
Star Trek 4 - 6/10
Sar Trek 5 - 6/10
Star Trek 6 - 8/10
Star Trek 7 - 2/10
Star Trek 8 - 7/10
Star Trek 9 - 6/10
Star Trek 10 - 5/10

Nah, no curse. Just a fun, yet mediocre film franchise with one utter fucking masterpiece tucked in there.

you really think, that from a critical point of view, Generations ranks lower than TFF and TMP?
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Old June 14 2013, 01:25 AM   #19
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Old June 24 2013, 08:58 PM   #20
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A much needed distraction
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Old July 23 2013, 01:16 AM   #21
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About a year after the release of TUC, a local theater had a Star Trek event in which they showed TWOK, TVH, and TUC. If I remember right, it was billed as "the good ones."
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Old July 23 2013, 01:26 AM   #22
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you really think, that from a critical point of view, Generations ranks lower than TFF and TMP?
I rank TMP and TFF just under TWOK, with a wide margin separating them from all the rest (the lesser forms, as Robert Vaughan might say.)

Granted, not many folks like TFF, but I'm surprised you'd think ANYbody liked GEN more than TMP, which while a mess, is at least a fascinating & ambitious mess, with often gorgeous visual effects that put the E in a light never equalled. GEN just has very nice cinematography.

It's just a guess but I bet GEN has less rewatchability than nearly any other Trek film (well INS and NEM might rank lower), just because it is SO all over the place. I mean, I rewatch it fairly often, but never all the way through, usually just the 23rd century stuff, or the ship battle and ship crash.
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Old July 23 2013, 01:33 AM   #23
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The only redeeming quality of Star Trek: Generations is getting to see the Enterprise-D on the big screen. I wish Abrams would figure a way to work the original Constitution-class into one of his big screen outings, even if it's just in the background.
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Old July 23 2013, 01:39 AM   #24
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you really think, that from a critical point of view, Generations ranks lower than TFF and TMP?
The Motion Picture is a pretty mesmerising, iconic film in parts.. it just suffers from poor pacing. Generations is bland shit with nothing going for it at all.
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Old July 24 2013, 03:40 PM   #25
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you really think, that from a critical point of view, Generations ranks lower than TFF and TMP?
The Motion Picture is a pretty mesmerising, iconic film in parts.. it just suffers from poor pacing. Generations is bland shit with nothing going for it at all.

TMP is glacially passed and obviously padded. It has the story for a one hour episode("the changeling") stretched out with an hour of the cast watching special effects on a viewscreen.

Generations actually has an original story, a good villain, and solid pacing. The only real problems are some plot holes and Kirk's underwhelming death.
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Old July 25 2013, 03:45 PM   #26
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Generations actually has an original story, a good villain, and solid pacing.
what, today is Opposite Day??
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Old July 25 2013, 04:23 PM   #27
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Still think GQ is a great trek film - inside jokes aside
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Old July 25 2013, 05:40 PM   #28
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AAAAAAGGGGAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

I THOUGHT WE WERE AGREED THERE WAS NO CURSE!!!

Ok, let me explain, some of the movies I like less than other ones. For me, it's random whether the movies are good or not.

TMP. I like this one, in any incarnation. I just have this thing for bizarre 1970's movies.
TWOK. Work of art. By far the best of the movies.
TSFS. Solid sequel. Always worked for me.
TVH. Kind of avoided some of issues that should have been resolved.
TFF. I never really minded it, but some parts I will say are really stupid.
TUC. Second best, it's well done and a great sendoff.
GEN. Uhh, I like the preview cut more, but it really has quite a few plot holes. Not terrible.
FC. Best of the Next Gen. movies, but is a flawed as the rest of the movies. It's the only one that can succesfully distract you from them.
INS. #$%^@#$%^@#$%^#$%@^&#!!!!!!
NEM. Can be saved through editing, but Stuart Baird really should have been replaced by an actual Trekker.
TREK '09. Good re-imagining. Never had any problem with it.
I.D. Good, but surprisingly too much fan service for me.
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Old July 25 2013, 05:59 PM   #29
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Generations actually has an original story, a good villain, and solid pacing. The only real problems are some plot holes and Kirk's underwhelming death.
Genrations was a POORLY done two hour TV episode.

The set lighting was atrocious. As for the story, it was a hackneyed mess, and they set up stuff they didn't even bother to incorporate later.

Examples?

1) At the start of the film Picard is informed his nephew died in aa fire back on Earth and Picard is VERY upset about this, HOWEVER, when he gets in the Nexus (and he was told earlier by Guinan "You can exit anywhere in time and space"; he doesn't even consider (or from appearances in the film remember his nephew's death) exiting back on Earth and saving his nephew (after which he could very easily stop the entire Soran situation).

2) Ignoring the above - 'real' Guinan tells Picard it's REALLY hard to leave the Nexus (even Guinan couldn't do it willingly herself) and she says she would still return tom it if she could. Yet, once Picard is in the Nexus, he pretty easily shrugs off the influence - somehow meets Guinan's 'ghost' who basically tells him 'Hey, Kirk's here too and from his perspective just arrived too' - then manages to take him to Kirk; and in a short two minute discussion; they hops horses and ride out of the Nexux no muss or fuss - and at just seconds before the events are about to repeat themselves -- WTF?!

3) For Picard (a Frenchman by all accounts from the TNG series background) - the Nexus christmas scene sutre look rather British to me.

4) There were rehashed element in Generations too. If you compare them the Generations 1701-D Warp Core breach scene sequence was nearly a short for shot redo of the Warp Core breach scene sequence from the TNG episode Yesterday's Enterprise

So, sorry, even though ST:TMP was a two hour rehash/remake of the changeling; at least it was done with flash and excellent visuals, and they tried to tell the story big. Plus the DVD released Director's Cut really improves ST:TMP watchability too. Given all it's flaws, I doubt a similar 'Director's Cut' version of Generations could save what is ultimately a lackluster script.

Generations was a poorly thought out TV series level episode that they just used panavision lenses to shoot. Hell the actual 2 episode TNG series finale All Good Things was better written (for all it's flaws) and IMO would have been the better script to shot as a TNG feature film.

But, to each his own.
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Old July 25 2013, 06:18 PM   #30
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Re: The curse of even Trek Films and the reboot - thought

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Genrations was a POORLY done two hour TV episode.

The set lighting was atrocious.
100% disagree.

The lighting and cinematography is top rate - two of the better aspects of the movie.
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