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Old July 23 2013, 07:05 PM   #91
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"Popular" and "accessible" are not dirty words, and some of the best Trek has been made by people who weren't just aiming at the core fandom. (Hello, Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett!)
Quoted for truth.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:07 PM   #92
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I don't think making it accessible is an excuse for stupidity though, especially in a post-Inception blockbuster environment.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:11 PM   #93
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I don't think making it accessible is an excuse for stupidity though, especially in a post-Inception blockbuster environment.
But lots of people didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was stupid.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:12 PM   #94
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I don't think making it accessible is an excuse for stupidity though, especially in a post-Inception blockbuster environment.
Please, show me one Star Trek movie that was the height of intellectual entertainment.

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I don't think making it accessible is an excuse for stupidity though, especially in a post-Inception blockbuster environment.
But lots of people didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was stupid.
There's a message in STID about terrorism and the govt. creating wars in the name of peace, but that gets in the way of "Fuck Abrams!" so it's ignored for the most part.
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And my god, can we get over the "I didn't make this movie for Star Trek fans, but for movie fans"....THANK GOD. That's what any director would have done, given the property. You have to make a movie for the general audience, not just a select fan base, especially in the case of Star Trek.
A general audience. There isn't just one, nearly all movies are made to a niche, especially big action movies, seeing how sloppy they are in anything but the action.

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They both make the audiences buy into incredible leaps in logic in order to enjoy the story.
Plot logic is such a tiny part of things you could notice in telling a story. I wish people would just recognize stuff, even if they didn't direct their attention to it.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:13 PM   #96
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Of course, you DON'T make a Trek movie just for the hardcore fans. That's not disrespectful. It's just common sense.
But you should at least acknowledge they exist. Like in Nemesis when they find the pieces of a Data android, somebody could have mentioned Lore at least once without derailing the film, instead of everyone acting like they had been memory-wiped.
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Plot logic is such a tiny part of things you could notice in telling a story.
The plot pretty much drives everything.
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But you should at least acknowledge they exist. Like in Nemesis when they find the pieces of a Data android, somebody could have mentioned Lore at least once without derailing the film, instead of everyone acting like they had been memory-wiped.
But mentioning Lore doesn't make Nemesis a better movie.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:20 PM   #99
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Not mentioning him doesn't help either. It merely makes the characters look like they have amnesia for fear of confusing the people who were sitting in a TNG film but hadn't watched TNG.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:23 PM   #100
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Not mentioning him doesn't help either. It merely makes the characters look like they have amnesia for fear of confusing the people who were sitting in a TNG film but hadn't watched TNG.
I've probably watched TNG a dozen times through easily and when I saw Nemesis, I never once thought about Lore.

He simply had no relevance to the film. In my opinion.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:25 PM   #101
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Plot logic is such a tiny part of things you could notice in telling a story.
The plot pretty much drives everything.
I though it was the directing.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:32 PM   #102
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Of course, you DON'T make a Trek movie just for the hardcore fans. That's not disrespectful. It's just common sense.
But you should at least acknowledge they exist.
No. A thousand times no. Any artistic endeavour (popular or not) should be made to satisfy the creator, not the audience. The audience is not owed anything in terms of satisfaction. Not one tiny shred. The audience has the right to express its views after having experienced the work. It has NO right to satisfaction on its terms.

IF the creators choose to "acknowledge the fans", fine. As long as it is a creative choice and not an imposition. I'd rather something that ignores "the fans" and is well-made than something that caters to every fanwank idea the filmmakers can think of but is otherwise a load of crap.
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Old July 23 2013, 07:59 PM   #103
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Now that I've had a chance to catch up...
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If the rumours on the IGN front page are true.

apparently Abrahms as thrown a hissy fit over Star Wars being shot in the UK, and wanted production moved to L.A so he could be near his family. WHAT!

Anyway they rightfully told him that wasn't happening and so now he might quit Star Wars and just stick with Trek.

Worst thing that can happen imo, he's perfect for Star Wars. He did good with Star Trek 09, Into Darkness was passable but for the next one I want someone who can write an intelligent story, something that makes you think.
All this, no link, and posted in the wrong forum besides? That's not suspect at all.

There's rumor debunked.

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I will believe it or not when you read he is on set filming or is replaced before that happens... Just like denials over David Moyes moving from Everton to Manchester United (Football Manager, big thing in my part of the world it would seem) or Abrams claiming he was sticking with Trek and not going over to Star Wars I wouldnt be so quick to believe press releases.

That said my money will be on him directing Episode VII and producing Star Trek 3.

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Aw, man, we were this close to ditching Orci and Kurtzman...
I dont think they were going anywhere, Bad Robot are still producing Star Trek with or without Abrams in the directors chair. Plus if another rumour on IGN is to be believed there are new writers being brought in with Orci & Kurtzman still involved.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/2...tar-trek-movie

I really enjoyed First Class and Sarah Connor Chronicles so I hope they bring some of the same to the table.

All in all this is a good thing for those of us who liked the past 2 movies and want to see something in 2016, I feel for the people who cant stand it but all you can do is stay home and dont bother yourself with it, its not like CBS are interested in releasing a TV show which is what Abrams wanted in the first place.
There's IGN citing Devin Faraci/Badass Digest as their source? Mm-hmm. And citing them again, in the rumor referred to but never linked by the OP? Devin got noticed by a bunch of people for making shit up; he should be ecstatic by now.

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Aw, man, we were this close to ditching Orci and Kurtzman...
There, there.

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And this topic has been moved to Trek Movies XI+ down the hall.
Thanks, Peach. I owe you one.

In summary: Rumor. Rumor debunked. Lots of other stuff from a few people who really ought to know better by now.

I think I'm just going to leave this one closed.
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