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Old July 23 2013, 01:15 AM   #31
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Re: Is DC going to be relegated as a comicbook company?

I had abandoned collecting comics about 10 years ago as I moved away from a convenient shop. I've picked TPB collections on and off in the interim but that remained sporadic. In the past year, though, I've gotten back into collecting digitally. My spending on comics is a lot more than it used to be and I very much like the digital format (no ads), even on my iPhone. When I get an iPad, they will truly come into their own. And 90% of my titles are DC. I'm not worried they'll disappear anytime soon.
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Old July 23 2013, 02:18 AM   #32
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Re: Is DC going to be relegated as a comicbook company?

The entire premise of this thread is so narrowly focused as to be silly. It's totally ignored the fact that DC has trounced Marvel on television. From animation to live action, DC has continuously been on TV while marvel has struggled. How about video games...DC has had more success there as well.
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Old July 23 2013, 02:19 AM   #33
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Re: Is DC going to be relegated as a comicbook company?

With a big company like Disney behind them their movie studio is now buying in the top producers, writers, actors and directors of Hollywood. You look at their movies in production and its like the who is who of top Hollywood movies and directors, and each year they have new visions and new phase planned.
You don't think guys like Snyder and Nolan are top talent? You don't think getting actors like Bale, Oldman, Caine, Costner and Adams ( or even Reynolds) means something?
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Old August 13 2013, 11:56 PM   #34
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Re: Is DC going to be relegated as a comicbook company?

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I've picked TPB collections on and off in the interim but that remained sporadic.
Top Selling Graphic Novels, DC places 7 behind Image, Darkhorse and Marvel
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As for Watchmen's creator?
“When DC Comics did the recent Watchmen prequel comics I said all of sorts of deeply offensive things about the modern entertainment industry clearly having no ideas of its own and having to go through dust bins and spittoons in the dead of night to recycle things. … The announcement that there is a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen television series hasn’t caused me to drastically alter my opinions. Now it seems they are recycling things that have already proven not to work.”

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It's totally ignored the fact that DC has trounced Marvel on television.
The biggest comic book thing on tv is not DC its Walking Dead, Image comics

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You don't think guys like Snyder and Nolan are top talent?
I think Nolan is wonderful, amazing Nolan is exactly what Batman needed, he brought new life to the brand and built a fantastic trilogy of box office movies
but Snyder is just a humanist photographer, hes' too focused on the visual, the Roman, the Schoolgirl, he's a guy who made it big by bringing Miller's work to screen directing very averagely, doing it paint by numbers style. It could be argued Snyder has little talent compared to other top directors and might be called something of a hack.

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comics beat dot com says creatively DC is a mess but financially its doing just well

DC is in a weird place right now.

You can practically watch the publisher's retail and talent relations take a nose-dive on the Internet. Just last week, retailers Brian Hibbs and Leo McGovern DC Called out on its handling of a line-wide publishing stunt in August: a "head of DC Comics" was quoted as admitting that His target audience are "45-year-olds"; popular artist Kevin Maguire announced on Twitter that he'd been "just fired" from an upcoming DC title, asked for work - and was hired, lickety-split, by a gleeful Marvel editor in chief a few hours later: and the brave souls who read the actual comics that somehow still get made, published and sold in this environment conclude that everything kinda reads the same and DC.

And last week was not an anomaly in the almost two years since DC relaunched its line of superhero titles. If anything, things seem to be deteriorating. Comparisons with the state of Marvel 1998 are being made, not least because I Bob Harras, who was Marvel's editor in chief from 1995 through 2000, has held the same position and DC Comics since September 2010.

There are obvious similarities, after all. Much like and Marvel in the late 1990s, a standardized "house style" now Takes precedence over the individual styles of most of the creators working for DC, as Tim O'Neil points out, Which has caused a whole bunch of those creators to leave , Often very publicly: and rather than to try and win over new readers with attractive content, the publisher is gaming the market with storylines, gimmicks and variant editions aimed at hardcore collectors.

But there is another factor that tends to be overlooked.

Harras's Marvel produced some sales spikes in the late 1990s with publishing events like "Heroes Return" and "Revolution," but did not stop the general downward trend the company's numbers (as everybody else's) was caught in since 1995 - and, more importantly, failed to capitalize on early successes like movie Blade (1998) or X-Men (2000).

Harras's DC, on the other hand, has managed to hang on to much-improved sales figures in the wake of the September 2011 "New 52" relaunch. In the 22 months from September 2011 through June 2013, the average DC Universe comic book sold an estimated 39,500 units per month, and the monthly total number of DC Universe comic books sold was, on average, 2.54 million, for a monthly $ 8.38 million; In the 22 months before that, from November 2009 through August 2011, it was an estimated 31,700 units on average per month, and total 1.78 million units and $ 5.95 million per month on average.

In other words: Since the "New 52" relaunch, there have been increases of 25% in average DC Universe unit sales, 43% in total DC Universe unit sales and 41% in total DC Universe dollar sales per month versus the same pre- relaunch period. When Harras was brought on as editor in chief in September 2010, it was presumably to prepare and carry out the "New 52" relaunch. So it's fair to say that this is His success.

Further, Harras has not repeated the mistake that cost him allegedly His job and Marvel back in 2000. Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo's Batman Continues to be the most consistently best-seller Successful the direct market has seen in decades, and it has spawned Several commercially Successful crossovers. And in June 2013, the debut issues of the new Unchained Superman and Batman / Superman titles topped the charts direct market, with estimated sales of 256 792 (including the "Combo Pack" variant edition) and 143,457 units, respectively.

Clearly Harras has managed to Create a Synergy Between Warner's movie successes and DC's comics successes. Ever since the "New 52" relaunch, DC has been Producing best-selling Batman comics, and now, with Warner's Man of Steel movie renewing interest in that franchise, there seems a good chance They MIGHT be able to pull off the same with Superman .

To date, Harras's books are Successful in the way that presumably counts for DC Entertainment and Warner and large: They sell. These sales have be in large part driven by hardcore fans, gimmicks, volumes and no more than a handful of genuinely strong titles; Harras's Directives and not be popular with our retailers, creators, critics or fans on the Internet.
Looks like DC won't be relegated afterall

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Old August 14 2013, 09:57 AM   #35
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Re: Is DC going to be relegated as a comicbook company?

DC took the overall market share in July and had 6 of the top ten books.

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Old August 14 2013, 12:40 PM   #36
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TheMasterOfOrion wrote: View Post
I see a future day when titles like Mars Attacks, Star Wars, Star Trek, Godzilla, Buffy, TombRaider or video game characters and possibly Japanese manga comics
Japanese manga is having problems; it suffered a blow because of Borders closing, and because of factors mentioned in the article I've posted.

If in 2007, manga was like a foreign movie star who had arrived on American shores to make it big, the last four years have been like watching that star run out of roles, run out of money, sell their house, go into rehab, and end up barely limping along in infomercials.

Dropping Sales

Manga sales in America have dropped 43% since 2007, an even bigger drop than domestically produced comics and graphic novels, suggesting that more than the bad economy is to blame. A few doomsayers like Toren Smith had claimed for years that the market was headed for a bust since publishers were glutting the market with too much junk.

Maybe the reduction in the amount of anime shown on American TV from the heights of 2003-2005 was another factor; licensed shows like Sailor Moon, DBZ and Pokémon planted the seeds of fandom in millions of minds, but as American TV producers saw all the money they were making, they decided it was more profitable in the long run to create their own anime-esque TV series like Voltron Force and Speed Racer: The Next Generation, so they get all the rights and don't have to censor panty shots.

Certainly the collapse of Borders didn't help, since Borders made up between 1/3rd and 1/5th of manga market dollar sales; Borders graphic novel buyer and manga fan Kurt Hassler, who later left the bookstore business to co-found Yen Press, was the trend-setter who turned chain bookstores into the #1 manga destination (as opposed to traditional comic shops, many of which never sold manga anyway). The past four years have seen company after company go out of business: Central Park Media, Go! Comi, DC's manga imprint CMX, Tokyopop, and recently the manga arm of Bandai Entertainment.

But the problem isn't just about fickle Americans — the Japanese manga market is hurting too. Sales of manga magazines, the traditional delivery medium for manga in Japan, peaked in 1995, and have been falling ever since. Graphic novel sales remained steady longer, but have also declined.

Manga is hurting the way that all print media is hurting — but in some ways it's worse, because manga is ill-equipped to adapt to New Media. Like American comic books, manga started out as cheap entertainment for kids, but while American comics faced their dwindling readership by turning into an adult collector's item with color, thicker paper and higher production values, manga magazines (and to a lesser extent, graphic novel collections) still use cheap ink and cheap paper to cram in as much pages-per-yen value possible.
: Why Manga Publishing Is Dying (And How It Could Get Better)

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