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Old July 22 2013, 10:26 PM   #46
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Imagine his full name appearing in the main titles:

Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi

as Dr. Bashir
Sorry, I couldn't resist ...

Amazing name, by the way. I love it!

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Old July 22 2013, 11:29 PM   #47
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^Well done.

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Old July 22 2013, 11:39 PM   #48
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In terms of progressiveness, Star Trek may have been behind the real world, but it was ahead of network television.
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Old July 23 2013, 12:00 AM   #49
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I find it interesting how actors pull strings in season finales. Brooks changed his ending some. I *think* some others did.

I know a couple on Nu-BSG did.
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Old July 23 2013, 12:09 AM   #50
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I find it interesting how actors pull strings in season finales. Brooks changed his ending some. I *think* some others did.
Brooks did it for two reasons:

1. He didn't want to perpetuate the stereotype of African American fathers abandoning their families.

2. He wanted to leave the door open for his character to return in the event of films or a TV movie.

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Old July 23 2013, 01:02 AM   #51
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I think a black captain and woman captain will be as far as they take it. Disappointed they went back to white male for ENT.
Star Trek has always pretended to be forward thinking and progressive, but I'm not sure it ever was. Thinking that having a female captain was making a big bold statement in a time when powerful female CEOs were already commonplace showed me just how far behind Trek actually was.
I think you're wrong. There are women astronauts today who say they were inspired by Janeway.
I think that's great, but there were already female astronauts long before Janeway.
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Old July 23 2013, 02:01 PM   #52
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Siddig was considered for the role of the captain, but was NEVER promised anything - either verbally or, more importantly, contractually - by Berman to that effect. Siddig did certainly not turn up to filming expecting to be Sisko! Honestly, the "Berman-Bashing" seems to permeate every thread around here!
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Old July 23 2013, 02:11 PM   #53
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
Imagine his full name appearing in the main titles:

Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi

as Dr. Bashir
Sorry, I couldn't resist ...

Amazing name, by the way. I love it!

That's great. I hope someone shows him this screencap. I'll bet he'd enjoy it.
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Old July 25 2013, 02:27 AM   #54
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I doubt Siddig would have been as upset if it weren't a really dumb twist, or if it made any sense with his established character.

If anything it undermined the most likable things about him. He didn't achieve his successes because of dedication and hard work, he was another souped up Star Trek whiz kid. He didn't botch his pre ganglionic nerve because of his self sabotaging insecurities, he did it to throw people off the track. That took awesome things about Bashir and made them lame. It was a really, really bad twist.
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Old July 26 2013, 11:24 AM   #55
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I doubt Siddig would have been as upset if it weren't a really dumb twist, or if it made any sense with his established character.

If anything it undermined the most likable things about him. He didn't achieve his successes because of dedication and hard work, he was another souped up Star Trek whiz kid. He didn't botch his pre ganglionic nerve because of his self sabotaging insecurities, he did it to throw people off the track. That took awesome things about Bashir and made them lame. It was a really, really bad twist.
Really good points, completely agree.
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Old July 26 2013, 03:46 PM   #56
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I doubt Siddig would have been as upset if it weren't a really dumb twist, or if it made any sense with his established character.

If anything it undermined the most likable things about him. He didn't achieve his successes because of dedication and hard work, he was another souped up Star Trek whiz kid. He didn't botch his pre ganglionic nerve because of his self sabotaging insecurities, he did it to throw people off the track. That took awesome things about Bashir and made them lame. It was a really, really bad twist.
Really good points, completely agree.
And I completely disagree. I like that they made the super-genius, super-accomplished very young doctor have a character reason for being so (even if it was a retcon), and not just because plot. Now it made sense that this relative kid was up for major awards and curing incurable diseases, besides for the fact that he happens to be a major character on the show. The other shows got around that by other ways (either with an older, experienced doctor (TOS, TNG, ENT) or with a computer (VOY)), but DS9 didn't have that excuse until we got this reveal.
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Old July 26 2013, 05:08 PM   #57
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If anything it undermined the most likable things about him.
Depends on your POV, but to me this reveal made him more likable. He's not perfect after all. He's been forced to hide this secret his entire life or risk losing everything. He already had a strained relationship with his parents because of it. Our whiz kid doctor was severely flawed as a child, and his dad had him "fixed." Now he has to face this dark secret again. Now he has to tell his friends. Now he must live with the stigma. Suddenly there's a reason to have sympathy for the guy. And parents pushing too hard in one way or another -- now many of us can actually relate to him too. It was a beautiful episode that added much-needed depth to this character. And it also added a layer of humor to his relationship with O'Brien. IMO.
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Old July 26 2013, 11:55 PM   #58
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Distant Voices is the episode that gave Bashir complexity, and the genetic twist paved over it.
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Old July 27 2013, 03:55 AM   #59
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Amazing name, by the way. I love it!

Looks amazing!
Wish they would do this on the Blu-rays then.
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Old July 27 2013, 06:57 AM   #60
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Distant Voices is the episode that gave Bashir complexity, and the genetic twist paved over it.
That's one of several episodes that prove that making Julian an enhanced human was DS9's biggest continuity problem. After all, the Lethean who telepathically attacks him certainly should have known his secret and used it against him in that episode.

Another episode would be "The Quickening" when Bashir said he was capable of sewing up his teddy bear at age 5. Since in "DBIP", he mentions he was enhanced around his 7th birthday, it's very unlikely he'd have been able to patch up the bear if he were deficient and uncoordinated 2 years before that.

You could even add "Q-Less" to the list if you play your cards straight. Someone as omnipotent as Q would certainly know the secret and could have slipped in a little hint in the scene he induces Julian to sleep over the remaining part of that episode. When the Doc departs from that scene, Q could have said something like "You're still inferior to the likes of me no matter what they did to you." Being it was in the first season, that would leave viewers wondering what he was talking about with the answer finally coming 4 seasons later.
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