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Old July 22 2013, 06:10 PM   #61
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Re: 50th Anniversary Trailer Description

RTD's scripts are fairly notorious for the lack of rules and structure. All of his scripts contain an abundance of contradictions, so it's impossible to really tell what he was trying to say about the Time War. It's possible he did intend on the Ninth Doctor being the Time War Doctor, but simply forgot he included the mirror scene in Rose.

I mean, apparently the time lock was impossible to breach. But then like.. it wasn't and anything could get through as long as it was small?

The guy loved to write people on council estates referencing celebrities and discussing knickers, but have him write a sci-fi storyline and you're kinda fucked.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:12 PM   #62
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Indeed, but in the specific context of that scene, the implication is obvious. RTD leaves it ambiguous intentionally, but there's only one sensible interpretation why the writer would include that bit of business there.
I doubt that was RTD's "sensible interpretation," though, as RTD intended the ninth Doctor as the Time War Doctor, and you can't square that with the Doctor have a post-regeneration moment in "Rose."
I'm intrigued why you would imagine the writer would put it in then? What was his intention?
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Old July 22 2013, 06:14 PM   #63
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Indeed, but in the specific context of that scene, the implication is obvious. RTD leaves it ambiguous intentionally, but there's only one sensible interpretation why the writer would include that bit of business there.
I doubt that was RTD's "sensible interpretation," though, as RTD intended the ninth Doctor as the Time War Doctor, and you can't square that with the Doctor have a post-regeneration moment in "Rose."
I'm intrigued why you would imagine the writer would put it in then? What was his intention?
Have you not been reading others posts in this thread? Including mine?
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Old July 22 2013, 06:16 PM   #64
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Indeed, but in the specific context of that scene, the implication is obvious. RTD leaves it ambiguous intentionally, but there's only one sensible interpretation why the writer would include that bit of business there.
I doubt that was RTD's "sensible interpretation," though, as RTD intended the ninth Doctor as the Time War Doctor, and you can't square that with the Doctor have a post-regeneration moment in "Rose."
I'm intrigued why you would imagine the writer would put it in then? What was his intention?
Nothing regeneration-related.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:20 PM   #65
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I'm pretty appalled at the lack of poor quality camera versions of the trailer buzzing around the internet. I think this could be the first time people at Comic Con actually DO respect secrecy.

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Old July 22 2013, 07:00 PM   #66
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The 9th Doctor would still have all the memories of the Hurt incarnation, so the trauma would carry on. We see in Rose that he's only recently regenerated. It'd be weird if the 9th Doctor forgot all the stuff Hurt did considering he was Hurt probably a day earlier.
I agree with that. My only thought is that Moffat really should've just gotten McGann to play the role (if he was willing) rather than create a new "Doctor".

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Again, what makes it a certainty that the Ninth Doctor had just regenerated in "Rose"?
He clearly is the Doctor after the Time War. So the point stands regardless of whether he just regenerated or not.

At any rate, my main point was that they should've hired McGann.

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Old July 22 2013, 07:03 PM   #67
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This is likely coming down from Moffat himself


We're not getting a trailer. At all.

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wheres-the-...iler-51894.htm
The BBC really sucks at PR. Way to go, let's piss off a bunch of fans! Brilliant!

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Old July 22 2013, 07:04 PM   #68
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Indeed, but in the specific context of that scene, the implication is obvious. RTD leaves it ambiguous intentionally, but there's only one sensible interpretation why the writer would include that bit of business there.
I doubt that was RTD's "sensible interpretation," though, as RTD intended the ninth Doctor as the Time War Doctor, and you can't square that with the Doctor have a post-regeneration moment in "Rose."
I'm intrigued why you would imagine the writer would put it in then? What was his intention?
I've always speculated that it wasn't actually part of the script but rather Eccleston ad-libbed it on set. But there supposedly is proof that it was in the script.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:14 PM   #69
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I think it's far more likely that Davies, a cheeky fanboy, dropped in a reference to a gag from other Doctors' first stories than that Eccleston, not a fan, did the same. It was a little nod to tradition, not a statement of narrative intent.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:16 PM   #70
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Oh, and just so no one gets the idea, I'm completely sold on Eccelston wasn't fairly recently Regenerated, I completely accept the possibility that he was. I was only saying it is not a foregone conclusion, it's just as likely he recently Regenerated or that he Regenerated long ago, and just never looked in the mirror. It would have to be at least a little while before meeting Rose though, because the belief is he Regenerated due to some deadly Time War action, and it always takes The Doctor a full adventure to get through his Regeneration Crises/Fits/insanity, etc and Eccelston was already quite himself when he first met Rose, so, it's a good bet, he hadn't Regenerated less than a week before meeting her.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:28 PM   #71
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Can't remember which episode it was, but Eccleston was being all snarky about humans having such tiny brains, etc, and Rose says he's like that, blames the human race "when he cuts himself shaving", or something similar - so if the Doctor has to shave, he was doing it without looking in a mirror post-regeneration. Maybe he popped into the barbers, true, but he'd still have to sit and look at himself in the mirror.

The way I took it: he'd regenerated recently, just time enough to recover from its effects and get back on the trail of the Nestenes. The photos that Clive showed Rose - the Doctor did a bit of travelling between leaving Rose with Mickey, and then deciding to go back and dangle the time-travel carrot in front of her.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:31 PM   #72
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At any rate, my main point was that they should've hired McGann.
So you wanted them to say the 8th Doctor was unworthy of the name?

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Old July 22 2013, 07:34 PM   #73
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Or, when the scene was written/ filmed, the writers anticipated Eccleston remaining in the role a bit longer than one season and that there would be lots of time for his character to have had all those adventures in our past/ his future. Just like how the writers of TNG's Relics didn't know that Generations would contradict Scotty's line about Kirk getting the Enterprise out of mothballs to rescue him.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:46 PM   #74
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This is likely coming down from Moffat himself


We're not getting a trailer. At all.

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wheres-the-...iler-51894.htm
The BBC really sucks at PR. Way to go, let's piss off a bunch of fans! Brilliant!

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Suck's for the U.K because it was in America that the trailer was shown

Sucks for both sides because it's not being released at all
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This is likely coming down from Moffat himself


We're not getting a trailer. At all.

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wheres-the-...iler-51894.htm
The BBC really sucks at PR. Way to go, let's piss off a bunch of fans! Brilliant!

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Suck's for the U.K because it was in America that the trailer was shown

Sucks for both sides because it's not being released at all
So BBC licence payers can’t see content that they paid for.
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