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Old July 20 2013, 11:51 PM   #91
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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In "Encounter at Farpoint", Q appears on the bridge in an American military officer's uniform (Army or Marine Corps, I forget which now). Picard snaps at Q about the "costume" he is wearing, which I have always found to be extremely offensive, as if anyone that was serving in a uniformed service prior to the existence of the enlightened ranks of Starfleet is some kind of barbarian or crackpot. Picard never applies this judgement to his own ancestors' military service, however, most notably the Picard that served in the battle of Trafalgar. Hypocrite.
But Q wasn't in the military so it WAS just a costume, at least that's the way I took the line.
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Old July 21 2013, 12:01 AM   #92
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I found "ugly bags of mostly water" hilarious.
I liked that bit, too.

The "oath of celibacy" line bugs me because it has no context as it appears in the film. Unless you're somehow familiar with the hitherto-unmentioned Deltan species, which is explained nowhere in the film or in any of the previous TV episodes, it's just a bizarre non sequitor that comes out nowhere and is never referred to again.

It's as though some odd bit of trivia from the STAR TREK: PHASE II series bible got awkwardly inserted into the script even though it made no sense at all unless you'd read about Deltans in a magazine article or cast interview or something.
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Old July 21 2013, 01:59 AM   #93
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In "Encounter at Farpoint", Q appears on the bridge in an American military officer's uniform (Army or Marine Corps, I forget which now). Picard snaps at Q about the "costume" he is wearing, which I have always found to be extremely offensive, as if anyone that was serving in a uniformed service prior to the existence of the enlightened ranks of Starfleet is some kind of barbarian or crackpot. Picard never applies this judgement to his own ancestors' military service, however, most notably the Picard that served in the battle of Trafalgar. Hypocrite.
Folks from the present (relatively speaking) are usually, if not always, going to see themselves as superior to their predecessors and lots of things about them. Folks today would look back at the kind of clothes Aristocrats wore back in the past (including the makeup they wore, including men) and see them as ridiculous costumes as well.

It's not Picard being deliberately insulting, it's just how a guy 300+ years from now would think of our own attire including what our soldiers wore.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:11 AM   #94
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Also in the context of the episode, Q was wearing that uniform to remind humanity of a part of its past where armies invaded other countries for territory and personal power with no regard for the lives lost in the wake. Picard's characterization of a 'costume' was meant to disown unjust wars and invasions from his cultural past, not to show any disrespect for those who defend their own country.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:59 AM   #95
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"You're a droid, and I'm a noid." - Forget which ep this is in
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"Tuvok, did anyone ever tell you your a real freakasaurus?"
And some people think Trek TOS is "dated"? Nothing dates faster than contemporary slang and colloquialisms -- especially in a show that's supposed to take place centuries in the future.
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Old July 21 2013, 03:11 AM   #96
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And I love that movie.
This.
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Old July 21 2013, 03:26 AM   #97
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And I love that movie.
This.
Ditto, and I loved the movie too.
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Old July 21 2013, 04:51 AM   #98
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I liked the movie but yes, the absolute worst thing about the movie was the contrived Spock/Kirk role reversal crap.
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Old July 21 2013, 05:07 AM   #99
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I found "ugly bags of mostly water" hilarious.
I liked that bit, too.

The "oath of celibacy" line bugs me because it has no context as it appears in the film. Unless you're somehow familiar with the hitherto-unmentioned Deltan species, which is explained nowhere in the film or in any of the previous TV episodes, it's just a bizarre non sequitor that comes out nowhere and is never referred to again.

It's as though some odd bit of trivia from the STAR TREK: PHASE II series bible got awkwardly inserted into the script even though it made no sense at all unless you'd read about Deltans in a magazine article or cast interview or something.
I thought the reactions of the male bridge crew when she entered gave enough context for that line to make sense.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:08 PM   #100
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In Star Trek Voyager Future's End Part I when Captain Braxton enters Voyager's time frame to destroy her and Janeway says

"I won't sacrifice this ship and it's crew based off a 10 second conversation, i need more proof."

I think it's pretty clear she would not do that, so i guess it's kind of redundant seeing as no Captain in a stable mental state would do that. I mean have your entire crew die and your ship destroyed for a guy that says your responsible for something in the future.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:08 PM   #101
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Folks from the present (relatively speaking) are usually, if not always, going to see themselves as superior to their predecessors and lots of things about them. Folks today would look back at the kind of clothes Aristocrats wore back in the past (including the makeup they wore, including men) and see them as ridiculous costumes as well.

It's not Picard being deliberately insulting, it's just how a guy 300+ years from now would think of our own attire including what our soldiers wore.
Indeed, we look just as silly to them as they look to us. How many times have we referred to Trek uniforms as "pajamas"...?
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Old July 21 2013, 02:19 PM   #102
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It's not Picard being deliberately insulting, it's just how a guy 300+ years from now would think of our own attire including what our soldiers wore.
No matter how well made the clothes are or what they represent, someone who is wearing garments appropriate for their job or their position will always be in uniform. The person who is pretending to do so, as was Q, will always be in costume. it has nothing to do with how Picard feels about the job represented by the uniform.
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Old July 21 2013, 03:58 PM   #103
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It's not Picard being deliberately insulting, it's just how a guy 300+ years from now would think of our own attire including what our soldiers wore.
No matter how well made the clothes are or what they represent, someone who is wearing garments appropriate for their job or their position will always be in uniform. The person who is pretending to do so, as was Q, will always be in costume. it has nothing to do with how Picard feels about the job represented by the uniform.
That's my take on it, too. Picard wasn't insulting the uniform. He was annoyed by an obnoxious alien playing dress-up.

It's the difference between an actual nurse administering to the sick and somebody wearing a "sexy nurse" outfit at a Halloween party. The latter is just a costume.
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Old July 21 2013, 10:04 PM   #104
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. . . It's the difference between an actual nurse administering to the sick and somebody wearing a "sexy nurse" outfit at a Halloween party.
Or these guys.

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Old July 21 2013, 10:06 PM   #105
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^^^Actually, Leatherman was wearing a uniform.
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