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Old July 18 2013, 07:45 PM   #376
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He also got a list of possible villains, where Khan was not included, and stated that one of those was definitely in it.
Who got a list? Was it Orci, or was it Devin Faraci and his never-identified "inside source"?
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Old July 18 2013, 09:05 PM   #377
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I didn't remember the comments in question, so I didn't know they were made very early in the writing process. Of course it's very possible they were just kicking around different ideas and seriously considered having that type of "villain" in STID. Then again, this group is so obsessed with secrecy and surprising the audience that it's not far-fetched to think they would resort to deliberate misdirection. Which is why I have a healthy amount of skepticism about everything the creative team says about any upcoming Trek film.

There are just so many threads left open from STID, it's hard for me to believe the writers will go with a completely new story. This line in particular stands out to me:

"War is coming! And who's going to lead us? You?"

But of course anything is possible.
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Old July 18 2013, 10:05 PM   #378
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I didn't remember the comments in question, so I didn't know they were made very early in the writing process. Of course it's very possible they were just kicking around different ideas and seriously considered having that type of "villain" in STID. Then again, this group is so obsessed with secrecy and surprising the audience that it's not far-fetched to think they would resort to deliberate misdirection. Which is why I have a healthy amount of skepticism about everything the creative team says about any upcoming Trek film.
Nothing wrong with skepticism; I'm skeptical of a lot of things myself. With J.J., however, the focus seems to be less on keeping secrets and more about not letting the audience in on something before it's time for them to know - always keep them wondering, and even at the end of the story there might be a few things left untold.

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There are just so many threads left open from STID, it's hard for me to believe the writers will go with a completely new story. This line in particular stands out to me:

"War is coming! And who's going to lead us? You?"

But of course anything is possible.
Anything, indeed, but I think you're probably right in figuring that at least a few leftover threads will get picked up again for the next one.
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Old July 18 2013, 10:06 PM   #379
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Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman explained that the dilemma for the sequel was whether to pit the crew against another villain, or to have an "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary", like in "Star Trek"
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Old July 18 2013, 10:34 PM   #380
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Would have been interesting if they could have pulled it off. Sounds like it was just too problematic to accomplish, though. That is, provided it wasn't some information smoke screen in the first place.
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Old July 18 2013, 10:37 PM   #381
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The comment came in an interview right after the first movie was released in June 2009:
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/20/orci...fter-that-too/

exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary or the villain model. That’s an active discussion we’re having right now. In terms of thinking about more than one movie, we want the movie to be self-contained in a way, but we’re discussing the idea of having a couple of threads where if the second movie works, you could pick up into a cohesive whole.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:26 PM   #382
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Those are the comments! Thanks to everyone here who could recall the references, and supply the quotes - very much appreciated! And helping establish that I wasn't imagining things!

Interesting to read - and it still raises the possibility of Trek 3 being a different type of movie again from the first two (perhaps going with this 'space as the villian' theme).

Considering Into Darkness ends with the 5-year mission beginning, I think we might see something of this 'non-villian' space exploratory obstacle plot instead (pure speculation of course) - and would encapsulate more of abrams take on the TOS context of the mission perhaps...
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Old July 20 2013, 05:14 AM   #383
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I vote "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary", like in "Star Trek" if my opinion counts (I know it doesn't).
Perhaps you could have a frenemy - Romulans or Klingons who ban together with the Federation for a common cause.
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Old July 20 2013, 03:16 PM   #384
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I vote "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary", like in "Star Trek" if my opinion counts (I know it doesn't).
Perhaps you could have a frenemy - Romulans or Klingons who ban together with the Federation for a common cause.
I think if you go that route, you really need to break it out over two films. One focusing on that relationship and conflict, then the second focusing on a natural threat and them banding together in common cause to combat it.
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Old July 21 2013, 01:07 AM   #385
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From IMDB:

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman explained that the dilemma for the sequel was whether to pit the crew against another villain, or to have an "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary", like in "Star Trek"
I don't understand.
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Old July 21 2013, 01:55 AM   #386
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I hope the third movie never comes to fruition, they've done enough to screw up Trek. Into Darkness was hugely better than the first movie though.

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Old July 21 2013, 03:18 AM   #387
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I hope the third movie never comes to fruition, they've don't enough to screw up Trek. Into Darkness was hugely better than the first movie though.
I don't think you'll get that wish.
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Old July 21 2013, 10:33 AM   #388
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I hope the third movie never comes to fruition, they've don't enough to screw up Trek. Into Darkness was hugely better than the first movie though.
Please don't wish ill for the rest of us just because you don't like the product. Some of us want more Trek.
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Old July 21 2013, 03:58 PM   #389
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I hope the third movie never comes to fruition, they've don't enough to screw up Trek. Into Darkness was hugely better than the first movie though.
I have a much better idea. Don't. Watch. The. Next. Movie. It's really that simple.
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Old July 21 2013, 04:28 PM   #390
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What?! Some people are looking forward to hating the next film.
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