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Old July 20 2013, 10:48 PM   #16
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Re: Kira in charge of the Defiant

Isn't there an episode where Worf wants to go and search for Sisko and Kira refuses. They have an exchange that sort of goes:
KIRA: "When Sisko's not here Im in command of DS9"
WORF: "And when Sisko's not here I am in command of the Defiant"
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Old July 20 2013, 11:14 PM   #17
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Re: Kira in charge of the Defiant

^^^
I don't recall Kira and Worf ever having a conversation like that.
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Old July 20 2013, 11:52 PM   #18
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Given that Starfleet is at DS9 by invitation of Bajor, the structure of command would be determined by diplomatic arrangement, not Starfleet standards, at least if it followed the pattern of contemporary international military forces. Being that the Defiant is a station asset, Kira should at least have the right to determine how and when it is used-whether or not it leaves on a mission--when Sisko is not around.
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Old July 20 2013, 11:59 PM   #19
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It all depends is the Defiant assigned to the station or to Sisko?
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Old July 21 2013, 12:07 AM   #20
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Can Sisko have two separate commands? Wouldn't Bajor have say if a ship were regularly berthed at the station?
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Old July 21 2013, 12:36 AM   #21
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As XO, Kira could command DS9 and deal with Starfleet in Sisko's absence, so why not Defiant?
DS9 was a Bajoran station, so it fell within the jurisdiction of the Bajoran militia.

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Old July 21 2013, 12:38 AM   #22
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I don't recall Kira and Worf ever having a conversation like that.
It happened in "Apocalypse Rising." Worf wanted to take the Defiant to find Sisko and Dax. Kira preferred to have the ship guarding the station, to which Worf replied, "You may command the station, but I command the Defiant."

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Old July 21 2013, 12:56 AM   #23
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I don't recall Kira and Worf ever having a conversation like that.
It was in Apocalypse Rising. Sisko was over due from a meeting with Starfleet and Worf wanted to go looking for him, while Kira wanted to wait. The argument was moot being Sisko arrived right as they both drew the lines.
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Old July 21 2013, 01:53 AM   #24
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Re: Kira in charge of the Defiant

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It all depends is the Defiant assigned to the station or to Sisko?
Both.

The Defiant is generally assigned to the station. So the ship is commanded by whoever DS9's commander says - In this case, Sisko. If he feels like giving Kira the ship, she gets it, and all questions are moot.

IIRC, though, after Worf arrives, he usually gets the Defiant. A notable exception would be "Trials and Tribble-ations" and that's because Kira - as a Bajoran - would have no reason to sneak aboard the NCC-1701 (Dax was a more obvious choice to do that because she is an expert on that time period and Kira isn't).
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Old July 21 2013, 01:56 AM   #25
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^Kira staying on the Defiant also gave her time to figure out how the Orb of Time worked so they could return to the twenty fourth century.

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Old July 21 2013, 02:31 AM   #26
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I figured Kira was second in command on the Defiant because Sisko said so.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:40 AM   #27
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It's more believable than a 15-year-old kid flying the Federation flagship
What? Have you not seen Master and Commander? At least there's *some* precedent.
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Old July 21 2013, 04:18 AM   #28
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Kira is a ground soldier assigned to a administration job.

Yes. She seems to have more authority than she should.

And weirdly, she seems to answer equally to both Star Fleet AND Bajor. I find her role a bit confusing.
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Old July 21 2013, 04:23 AM   #29
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It's more believable than a 15-year-old kid flying the Federation flagship
What? Have you not seen Master and Commander? At least there's *some* precedent.
I wouldn't call British aristocracy overriding common experience a good thing.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:47 PM   #30
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As XO, Kira could command DS9 and deal with Starfleet in Sisko's absence, so why not Defiant?
DS9 was a Bajoran station, so it fell within the jurisdiction of the Bajoran militia.

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Seems like Bajor basically signed over the station to Starfleet, in exchange for their aid in rebuilding the planet's shattered infrastructure. If they wanted to tell Starfleet to go, they were well within their rights - and this happened in "The Siege". On the other hand, Starfleet can basically tell them where to go, because the Bajorans don't have the capacity to force them to go - see "A Call to Arms".

It's similar to how the US has bases in places like Okinawa and Diego Garcia. In theory the Japanese and UK governments could tell them to leave. In practise they couldn't force the US military out of their bases.
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