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Old July 19 2013, 02:50 PM   #91
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Re: The Official Speculation Thread about John Hurt's "Secret" Doctor.

At NuWho's series three, the Master and the Doctor say they chose their names at a young age. So perhaps, if Hurt's Doctor is pre-Hartnell, he gave up the name to do that thing he did, and then changed into the Hartnell Doctor?
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Old July 19 2013, 03:02 PM   #92
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At NuWho's series three, the Master and the Doctor say they chose their names at a young age. So perhaps, if Hurt's Doctor is pre-Hartnell, he gave up the name to do that thing he did, and then changed into the Hartnell Doctor?
The question is which name, their secret names, Gallifrean names or their current names.

It also interesting that the Time Lords always call him "The Doctor" and not Joebobsmith the Time Lord. If it was pre-Hartnell, then what he did was so awful that even the Time Lords rejected him.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:07 PM   #93
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That's why he likes humans, we are the exact opposite of Time Lords.
I think humans and Time Lords are... damn near exactly the same. Time Lords have much more power than us, but their emotional behaviour and lifestyle structure is pretty much an exact replica of our own.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:23 PM   #94
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At NuWho's series three, the Master and the Doctor say they chose their names at a young age. So perhaps, if Hurt's Doctor is pre-Hartnell, he gave up the name to do that thing he did, and then changed into the Hartnell Doctor?
Of course, what constitutes 'a young age' for beings over 1,000 years old is open to debate.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:27 PM   #95
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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:29 PM   #96
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I think humans and Time Lords are... damn near exactly the same. Time Lords have much more power than us, but their emotional behaviour and lifestyle structure is pretty much an exact replica of our own.
Humans are as corruptible as Time Lords if not more so but you are forgetting everything is NEW to us. That's why he has human companions. We also seem to be more compassionate and more likely to help complete strangers.

Time Lords are basically bored rich people with manners and most humans are not bored rich people with manners.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:22 PM   #97
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Obviously The Doctor did what he had to do, but I'd find it weird if he felt zero sympathy for most inhabitants of Gallifrey.
I always felt that secretly, he hated the Time Lords (all of them, not just the ones on the High Council). Yeah he saved them but he saves everybody if he can. That's why the Master sees him as a kindred spirit. That's why he likes humans, we are the exact opposite of Time Lords.

Also by the end of the Time War, how many Time Lords are left. It seems in the "End of Time" that only the High Council survived.

Rassilion addressed thousands of Time Lords in The End Of Time so it's obvious that there were many left by the end of the war.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:34 PM   #98
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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
Sadly, you're right.

What a letdown, the entire arc of River Song was.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:47 PM   #99
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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
LOL what?? TONS of people guessed both "River Song is the little girl and the little girl is Amy and Rory's child" AND "The 'real' Clara is the present day one who somehow gets split across time ala the Jagaroth." Which is... exactly what happened with both.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:51 PM   #100
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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
LOL what?? TONS of people guessed both "River Song is the little girl and the little girl is Amy and Rory's child" AND "The 'real' Clara is the present day one who somehow gets split across time ala the Jagaroth." Which is... exactly what happened with both.
How could anybody have guessed that Amy and Rory were River's parents?
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Re: The Official Speculation Thread about John Hurt's "Secret" Doctor.

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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
LOL what?? TONS of people guessed both "River Song is the little girl and the little girl is Amy and Rory's child" AND "The 'real' Clara is the present day one who somehow gets split across time ala the Jagaroth." Which is... exactly what happened with both.
I think you're missing DWF's sarcasm.

Moffat either writes plot twists that are so blindly obvious that an infant can guess them -- or he writes plot twists that are so nonsensical and ungrounded that he clearly pulled them straight from his ass.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:58 PM   #102
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Just wait for whatever convoluted explaination Moffat gives us, nobody was able to guess River Song's secret or Clara's either for that matter.
LOL what?? TONS of people guessed both "River Song is the little girl and the little girl is Amy and Rory's child" AND "The 'real' Clara is the present day one who somehow gets split across time ala the Jagaroth." Which is... exactly what happened with both.
I think you're missing DWF's sarcasm.

Moffat either writes plot twists that are so blindly obvious that an infant can guess them -- or he writes plot twists that are so nonsensical and ungrounded that he clearly pulled them straight from his ass.
And sadly the latter is more often true than the former. I don't know how John Hurt's Doctor can be a Doctor and yet not be a Doctor, since it was stated by Clara in The Name Of The Doctor that Smith's Dcotor is the 11th.
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Old July 19 2013, 05:27 PM   #103
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Rassilion addressed thousands of Time Lords in The End Of Time so it's obvious that there were many left by the end of the war.
I only say the ones in the High Council chamber. What makes you think there were thousands.
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Old July 19 2013, 05:38 PM   #104
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Moffat either writes plot twists that are so blindly obvious that an infant can guess them -- or he writes plot twists that are so nonsensical and ungrounded that he clearly pulled them straight from his ass.
Being predictable is not his problems. It's painting himself in a corner.
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Rassilion addressed thousands of Time Lords in The End Of Time so it's obvious that there were many left by the end of the war.
I only say the ones in the High Council chamber. What makes you think there were thousands.
Did you forget the "For Gallifrey!" speech where Timothy Dalton spit out the words?
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