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Old July 19 2013, 10:33 AM   #61
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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Granted, the show was about a POW camp and not a concentration camp; regardless, it was mocking an extremely dark moment in the relatively recent past.
That's the crucial difference. Buchenwald was not a concentration camp like the other death camps. As a matter of fact the inmates rebelled and took over the camp from the Nazis prior to the arrival of the American troops!

For all I know Robert Clary might have been among those who initiated the uprise and therefore his participation in "Hogans Heroes" meant autobiographically more to him than just a TV show mocking Nazis...

If I remember correctly Gene Roddenberry served on a US bomber over Europe and therefore never really saw what was actually going on "down there".

In the case of Nimoy his tasteless line in "Patterns of Force" might be attributed to ignorance, but there is one who doesn't have a good excuse - William Shatner!

In 1961 he had a supporting role in "Judgment at Nuremberg" which featured original, very graphic films of the death camps (a fantastic film with the finest actors Hollywood had to offer!). So unless he never saw the final film, I would have expected him - at least and of all the people - to draw a line and tell the diector of "Patterns of Force" he wouldn't continue shooting until Leonard's line had been changed.

Well, apparently that didn't happen.

"Get a life?" Look who's talking! What's it good for once you have an opportunity to make a stand against ignorance and stupidity but instead decide to remain silent and let ignorance and stupidity prevail?

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This thread is about the "single worst line of dialogue". We've merely gotten to the point discussing why a certain single line is the worst (or not).
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Old July 19 2013, 11:34 AM   #62
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That's the crucial difference. Buchenwald was not a concentration camp like the other death camps. As a matter of fact the inmates rebelled and took over the camp from the Nazis prior to the arrival of the American troops!
Buchenwald WAS a concentration camp just not a death camp. Clary as I said was in several of the camps. While he was never in an actual death camp, what he went through was not easy. He was basically forced to work as a slave.

I read his autobiography!
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Old July 19 2013, 01:32 PM   #63
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

Anyway...

"My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain."

It just sounds so stupid to me.
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Old July 19 2013, 01:36 PM   #64
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Yes it is awful! To me it's just a stupid cocktease.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:02 PM   #65
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"You're a droid, and I'm a noid." - Forget which ep this is in

"What a motley crew you've assembled here captain!" - QLess

"If only she could have been happy being...only a woman." - Turnabout Intruder

"Nobody has ever asked me if my...hair grows. Please watch DS9. Please please PLEASE! Isn't this character interesting? He just asked Data if his hair grows! PLEASE!!!!" - Birthright

"KHAAAAAAANN" - Star Trek Into Darkness

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Old July 19 2013, 03:46 PM   #66
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Riker: Increase speed to Warp 6.

Laforge: Aye sir, full impulse.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:55 PM   #67
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Riker: Increase speed to Warp 6.

Laforge: Aye sir, full impulse.
I don´t remember that one. What episode or movie is it from?

And of course: Welcome to the TrekBBS, I hope you´re going to enjoy it
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Old July 19 2013, 04:34 PM   #68
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Five pages and no..........

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Old July 19 2013, 05:01 PM   #69
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Riker: Increase speed to Warp 6.

Laforge: Aye sir, full impulse.
I don´t remember that one. What episode or movie is it from?

And of course: Welcome to the TrekBBS, I hope you´re going to enjoy it
Thanks! The quote is from Conspiracy, Riker is trying to get on shore leave faster. I think its just before they are diverted by the call from the Horatio?

Here is a clip from it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMxyZEf4MI
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Old July 19 2013, 05:05 PM   #70
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Thanks that´s truly precious

I haven´t watched anything of the early TNG seasons in a LONG time.
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Old July 19 2013, 05:07 PM   #71
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

If I remember correctly Gene Roddenberry served on a US bomber over Europe and therefore never really saw what was actually going on "down there".
He served in the Pacific.


Worst line: "I need you Bones, badly". Kirk in TMP.
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Old July 19 2013, 07:04 PM   #72
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You mean "The sons of Soong have joined together. And together we will destroy the Federation!"?
It would have been great if Picard had immediately shot back with "Why?"
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Old July 19 2013, 07:42 PM   #73
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JT Perfecthair wrote: View Post
Mario de Monti wrote: View Post
JT Perfecthair wrote: View Post
Riker: Increase speed to Warp 6.

Laforge: Aye sir, full impulse.
I don´t remember that one. What episode or movie is it from?

And of course: Welcome to the TrekBBS, I hope you´re going to enjoy it
Thanks! The quote is from Conspiracy, Riker is trying to get on shore leave faster. I think its just before they are diverted by the call from the Horatio?

Here is a clip from it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMxyZEf4MI
At least he learned something in the engineering school, since by the 3rd season's "Hollow Pursuits":

LaForge: Ensign Crusher is putting in some hours with us this week as part of his training duties... he'll be assigned to assist you, Mister Myers. Be sure and teach him the difference between impulse and warp drive.
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Old July 19 2013, 07:57 PM   #74
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Shawnster wrote: View Post
Granted, the show was about a POW camp and not a concentration camp; regardless, it was mocking an extremely dark moment in the relatively recent past.
That's the crucial difference. Buchenwald was not a concentration camp like the other death camps. As a matter of fact the inmates rebelled and took over the camp from the Nazis prior to the arrival of the American troops!

For all I know Robert Clary might have been among those who initiated the uprise and therefore his participation in "Hogans Heroes" meant autobiographically more to him than just a TV show mocking Nazis...

If I remember correctly Gene Roddenberry served on a US bomber over Europe and therefore never really saw what was actually going on "down there".

In the case of Nimoy his tasteless line in "Patterns of Force" might be attributed to ignorance, but there is one who doesn't have a good excuse - William Shatner!

In 1961 he had a supporting role in "Judgment at Nuremberg" which featured original, very graphic films of the death camps (a fantastic film with the finest actors Hollywood had to offer!). So unless he never saw the final film, I would have expected him - at least and of all the people - to draw a line and tell the diector of "Patterns of Force" he wouldn't continue shooting until Leonard's line had been changed.

Well, apparently that didn't happen.

"Get a life?" Look who's talking! What's it good for once you have an opportunity to make a stand against ignorance and stupidity but instead decide to remain silent and let ignorance and stupidity prevail?
You're splitting hairs about who served where and whatnot, but you're still applying your "half-century of hindsight" standards of righteous indignation to the works of people who were actually around during the war. The bottom line is that people of that generation were able to look back at the war in general (not the Holocaust specifically) in a humorous light, whether it was in a sitcom like Hogan's Heroes or a one-off line in a Star Trek episode.
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Old July 19 2013, 09:15 PM   #75
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You're splitting hairs about who served where and whatnot, but you're still applying your "half-century of hindsight" standards of righteous indignation to the works of people who were actually around during the war. The bottom line is that people of that generation were able to look back at the war in general (not the Holocaust specifically) in a humorous light, whether it was in a sitcom like Hogan's Heroes or a one-off line in a Star Trek episode.
Indeed, I can't believe some people are raising such a stink about a single, innocuous, wryly humorous throw-away line that wouldn't have ruffled anyone's feathers when "Patterns of Force" was first shown in 1968. And BTW and FWIW, I'm Jewish.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic.
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