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Old July 14 2013, 12:26 AM   #1
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TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

I'm rewatching Enterprise and I can appreciate it a lot more now than when it was originally run (happens a lot in TV). I was wondering if anyone has a conception of how the original series bridge, halls, engineering, etc. would look from the perspective of Enterprise looking forward a hundred years. Assuming the exterior stays exactly the same, the bridge layout itself stays the same, and the crew, but the uniforms and the interiors are up for grabs, how would you imagine it looking? Would all the controls still be completely unlabeled? The screens at the stations - touchscreens? Would helm and navigation have so few buttons? What would you make the ship's interior look like?
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Old July 14 2013, 02:48 AM   #2
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I'm rewatching Enterprise and I can appreciate it a lot more now than when it was originally run (happens a lot in TV). I was wondering if anyone has a conception of how the original series bridge, halls, engineering, etc. would look from the perspective of Enterprise looking forward a hundred years. Assuming the exterior stays exactly the same, the bridge layout itself stays the same, and the crew, but the uniforms and the interiors are up for grabs, how would you imagine it looking? Would all the controls still be completely unlabeled? The screens at the stations - touchscreens? Would helm and navigation have so few buttons? What would you make the ship's interior look like?
Here is the thing and I should say that this is a spoiler alert if you have not seen the new film.
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Since the U.S.S. Enterprise from the series Star Trek Enterprise is one of the models on display in one certain scene of Star Trek Into Darkness I feel that there can be no other explanation but to accept the fact that NX-01 is actually a part of the new timeline set forth in the JJ Verse. This being said I would think that it would be hard to conceive what any starship would look like if you wanted to include TOS in this time stream. Yes, this is a work of fiction but JJ has changed all of that.However, one can always still wonder.
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Old July 14 2013, 06:45 AM   #3
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

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Since the U.S.S. Enterprise from the series Star Trek Enterprise is one of the models on display in one certain scene of Star Trek Into Darkness I feel that there can be no other explanation but to accept the fact that NX-01 is actually a part of the new timeline set forth in the JJ Verse.
One giant clusterfuck tipping it's hat to the other? All that was missing was a model of the Warp 10 lizards to complete that unholy trinity.
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Old July 14 2013, 09:31 AM   #4
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

JJohnson wrote: View Post
I'm rewatching Enterprise and I can appreciate it a lot more now than when it was originally run (happens a lot in TV). I was wondering if anyone has a conception of how the original series bridge, halls, engineering, etc. would look from the perspective of Enterprise looking forward a hundred years. Assuming the exterior stays exactly the same, the bridge layout itself stays the same, and the crew, but the uniforms and the interiors are up for grabs, how would you imagine it looking? Would all the controls still be completely unlabeled? The screens at the stations - touchscreens? Would helm and navigation have so few buttons? What would you make the ship's interior look like?
"In a Mirror, Darkly" gave us at TOS era Connie that was very true to the TOS sets. There were subtle differences... For instance this one had carpet on every floor. Also the railing on the bridge was circular rather then polyhedral. And they did label every button, but, interestingly, given the lens like properties of the buttons, they could only be read while sitting at the console, from other angles, the lettering disappeared!

I would say we need not worry about the JJ-prise, because, the NX-01 would naturally be in that timeline, given that the changes to the timeline from Nero's tomfoolery in Star Trek (2009) happened 70-odd years after NX-01 retired.

I suppose that if you took the designs of the TOS sets and detailed them more like, say, the Kelvin, then you might have something.

But, I would think that to be unnecessary. YMMV

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Old July 14 2013, 10:53 AM   #5
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

TOS reimagined is what we saw in the movies Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.
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Since the U.S.S. Enterprise from the series Star Trek Enterprise is one of the models on display in one certain scene of Star Trek Into Darkness I feel that there can be no other explanation but to accept the fact that NX-01 is actually a part of the new timeline set forth in the JJ Verse.
Star Trek: Enterprise is part of the shared pre-2233 past common to both the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and new movie timelines. As shown in the ENT episodes "In a Mirror, Darkly" (when the USS Defiant from TOS: "The Tholian Web" emerges into the past, complete with NX-01 crew biographies) and "These are the Voyages" (which is a prequel to the TNG episode "The Pegasus" where Riker and Troi are watching Enterprise NX-01's final mission on the holodeck)
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Old July 14 2013, 03:04 PM   #6
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

lennier1 wrote: View Post
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Since the U.S.S. Enterprise from the series Star Trek Enterprise is one of the models on display in one certain scene of Star Trek Into Darkness I feel that there can be no other explanation but to accept the fact that NX-01 is actually a part of the new timeline set forth in the JJ Verse.
One giant clusterfuck tipping its had to the other? All that was missing was a model of the Warp 10 lizards to complete that unholy trinity.
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Old July 15 2013, 06:30 PM   #7
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

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Since the U.S.S. Enterprise from the series Star Trek Enterprise is one of the models on display in one certain scene of Star Trek Into Darkness I feel that there can be no other explanation but to accept the fact that NX-01 is actually a part of the new timeline set forth in the JJ Verse.
One giant clusterfuck tipping it's hat to the other? All that was missing was a model of the Warp 10 lizards to complete that unholy trinity.
That... deserves to be somebody's sig line.
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Old July 15 2013, 08:44 PM   #8
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

My personal fanwank explanation for Enterprise, as well as the rest of the J.J. - verse, is that the whole alternate timeline comes into existence during the events of Star Trek: First Contact. They so totally blew off the Prime Directive in that movie, telling Cochrane all about the future, and even taking part in past historical events, that it drastically changed the original timeline.

This explains a historically famous Enterprise that was specifically never mentioned in *any* of the other franchises, and could be folded into the new alternate reality as well.

Enterprise really pissed me off because of the contradiction of its very existence, but once that popped into my head, I was able to appreciate it a lot more.

Like I said, total fanwank, but it works remarkably well. :-)
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Old July 15 2013, 11:07 PM   #9
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

I believe that you are right about FC. Not only did the TNG bunch interact with Cochrane and the survivors of his team, there were Borg and Borg tech sprinkled in the Arctic. ENT pics up on this. ALL of this influences the pre-TOS timeline and directly affects everything that follows. Subtle changes take place. ENT and JJ Trek both exist in the Sub-Prime Universe. TOS and everything else exist in the Prime Universe...
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Old July 15 2013, 11:46 PM   #10
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I agree with that.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:25 AM   #11
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It all sounds like it's all a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, stuff.
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Old July 17 2013, 06:05 PM   #12
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Braga specifically said the FC events caused an alternate timeline, but tried to play it both ways: It changed the timeline, but it's still the timeline leading to TOS and TNG+. I can't agree. As a new timeline, ENT is okay, although the Xindi are a problem, in that they didn't exist in the prime timeline. As a reboot, though, ENT works much better, IMO. All continuity issues disappear, and it can be a reinvention, rather than a prequel.
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Old July 18 2013, 12:40 AM   #13
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Re: TOS from the perspective of Enterprise

CaptainDave1701 wrote: View Post
It all sounds like it's all a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, stuff.
LOL.

As for TOS, if we go from Enterprise forward, do you think we'd get all those huge technicolor, unlabeled buttons all over the place, or perhaps some minimal labelling to make it all make sense? More helm/nav buttons so it doesn't look like flying a ship the size of NCC-1701 only needs 16 or so buttons to work? Would the halls not be so cavernous?

I'm going more for a thought as to what the original series would look like without it going with the ultra-lens-flare-in-everyone's-eyes, extra-stations, iPhone bridge of Trek '09. How would we structure engineering, sickbay, the transporter room, crew quarters, etc? That's what I'm wondering.
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Old July 19 2013, 01:06 AM   #14
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It all sounds like it's all a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, stuff.
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Old July 19 2013, 11:20 AM   #15
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Braga specifically said the FC events caused an alternate timeline, but tried to play it both ways: It changed the timeline, but it's still the timeline leading to TOS and TNG+.
Have you got a link to that? I hear it a LOT, but no-one can ever show me the interview it's supposedly from.
I can't agree. As a new timeline, ENT is okay, although the Xindi are a problem, in that they didn't exist in the prime timeline.
They weren't featured in a prior episode or movie, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. We've seen hundreds of species once and then they vanish in Trek (especially in the movies), and the universe is so big I have no trouble with a few previously unheard of aliens cropping up. ENT also did a nice job of putting faces to races previously only mentioned, like the Axanar.

Technology-wise, they also established the TOS helm/nav station, blue TOS phasers and energy shields are all Andorian designs. The round screens and computer graphics from the TOS movies were Vulcan (as are the mandarin collars of TNG). The blinking coloured squares of TOS are from Earth (see how they go from a couple in the first season to full-on TOS by the end) as is the general layout of future starships.
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