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Old July 18 2013, 04:38 AM   #391
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I saw it and loved it.

- Batman's face looked a bit effeminate and both he and Bruce seem a bit unremarkable so far. No matter, the real highlight for me is that the show is shaking things up.

- The one thing that did impress me about the Batman character was the opening fight where we got to see his ninja-like astuteness and skill at work. As much as I love the Nolan movies, they didn't give us anything like that.

- Jason Statham Alfred. Best part. For me, he's the real highlight of the show so far. I thought he was younger, almost Bruce's contemporary, until he said that he made a promise to Bruce's parents.

- RJ, you should check out the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. I'd love to know what you think of Aunt May.

- Gordon means Batgirl. I hope.

- Liking Katana's role too.

- I'm impressed with how lavish the batcave is. Same with Wayne manor. With it overlooking Gotham, you'd think that it would make it difficult for a batplane to come and go without someone noticing. As for the batmobile, I'm sure people would notice that it heads across the bridge in that direction.

- Mr. Toad threw me a bit, but as mentioned, a fantastical character like that lets us know what to expect.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:15 AM   #392
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Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Sort of has a bit of that B:TAS style yet fits into the more 'modern' CGI series aesthetic that like it or not we're stuck with. I really did like the more MI6 trained Alfred instead of him being some veteran of some 'foreign war' like they kind of implied with the Nolan Alfred it slipped it into a more plausible reason why he would know things he does and I like how really while Bruce doesn't see him as his 'partner' Alfred's like 'yeah, whatever I'm still your partner... now here, take this hot Asian chick I hired and probably banged as your field partner. Now no backtalk. She's got a nice bum."

Good ol' Alfred. I kind of hope that we never see Bats with a Robin in a way, just to shake up things a bit.
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Old July 18 2013, 09:53 AM   #393
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- RJ, you should check out the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. I'd love to know what you think of Aunt May.
Looks like the same kind of thing to me. Trying to be kewl by making the characters younger and more dynamic. It's lazy, lame and pandering. I prefer stories that have more diversity and variation among the characters.
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Old July 18 2013, 02:23 PM   #394
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^You want things to be the same as always? Yet keep things dynamic? Contradictory!

Personally, I never liked the old feeble Aunt May, and any change of the character is for the better, IMO. Similarly, this Alfred seems like a positive change to me while still being a definitive Alfred.
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Old July 18 2013, 02:36 PM   #395
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- Jason Statham Alfred. Best part. For me, he's the real highlight of the show so far. I thought he was younger, almost Bruce's contemporary, until he said that he made a promise to Bruce's parents.
Actually, according to Mitch Watson, the model for this version of Alfred is "Sean Connery from The Untouchables": Someone formerly on a par with the hero but now in his 60s and past his prime, reduced to a support/advisory role when he'd rather be a man of action alongside the hero.

And it might alleviate some viewers' concerns about this version of Alfred to know that Glen Murakami advised the other producers to scale back their plans for Alfred's role lest he overshadow Batman. The early promotional image of a gun-toting Alfred fighting by Batman's side may represent those early plans that have now been scaled back.


- Gordon means Batgirl. I hope.
As I've mentioned, this show is earlier in Batman's career. Gordon is younger and just a lieutenant. Barbara might not be old enough to be Batgirl yet.


- I'm impressed with how lavish the batcave is. Same with Wayne manor. With it overlooking Gotham, you'd think that it would make it difficult for a batplane to come and go without someone noticing. As for the batmobile, I'm sure people would notice that it heads across the bridge in that direction.
Hadn't thought of that. It is kind of exposed, isn't it? But having Wayne Manor be set apart on its own island is an interesting variation.


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Alfred's like 'yeah, whatever I'm still your partner... now here, take this hot Asian chick I hired and probably banged as your field partner. Now no backtalk. She's got a nice bum."
Good grief, you're way off the mark there. Wikipedia says that this version of Katana is Alfred's goddaughter, and her father was his partner in MI-6.


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- RJ, you should check out the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. I'd love to know what you think of Aunt May.
Looks like the same kind of thing to me. Trying to be kewl by making the characters younger and more dynamic. It's lazy, lame and pandering. I prefer stories that have more diversity and variation among the characters.
I'd hardly call them the same. I've got nothing against revisionism, but Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty weak, and it's definitely skewed toward younger viewers. By contrast, BTB looks like the oldest-skewing superhero show currently on CN, on a par with Young Justice in its maturity, and I enjoy it a whole lot more than USM (or the new Avengers Assemble from the same producers and in the same continuity, which is dull and generic compared to Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes).

And given that Word of God is apparently that this Alfred is meant to be sixty-something, a Conneryesque mentor figure, I don't think they're de-aging him as much as you imagine.

In fact, think about it: An older man who was formerly a formidable fighter himself, now past his prime and walking with a cane and serving as a tough-love mentor and advisor to a young Batman... this Alfred has a lot in common with Batman Beyond's Bruce Wayne.

Although I just checked, and it turns out this Batman isn't quite as much of a novice as I thought. In the article I linked to at the top of the post, it says that this Batman is in his early 30s and has been Batman for 5-6 years. So he's about halfway between the experience levels of Bruce in The Batman and Bruce in B:TAS. Which makes it a bit surprising that Gordon's still a lieutenant. Maybe that's a Nolanverse influence.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:02 PM   #396
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Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Tara Strong will voice Batgirl from her own twitter account:

http://comicsalliance.com/tara-stron...re-the-batman/
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Old July 18 2013, 08:11 PM   #397
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Which makes it a bit surprising that Gordon's still a lieutenant. Maybe that's a Nolanverse influence.
Maybe it's to let Gordon fight crime on the streets occasionally? A lieutenant in the field, busting heads from time to time, is more realistic than a commissioner in the field. Maybe.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:17 PM   #398
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Tara Strong will voice Batgirl from her own twitter account:

http://comicsalliance.com/tara-stron...re-the-batman/
Seriously? She says it's this Saturday? Maybe she just means she'll be voicing Barbara. In any case, it's good news. Strong is one of the great voice artists of our time, and she's up there with Yvonne Craig and Dina Meyer as my favorite Barbara Gordon portrayers.


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Maybe it's to let Gordon fight crime on the streets occasionally? A lieutenant in the field, busting heads from time to time, is more realistic than a commissioner in the field. Maybe.
Yeah, I've thought that myself, that Gordon's implausibly hands-on for a commissioner. And come to think of it, we've been seeing "Lieutenant Gordon" here and there ever since Batman: Year One, which was the influence the Nolanverse itself drew on at the start.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:34 PM   #399
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I think one of the episode descriptions stated Bruce will test Katana with her loyalty. Perhaps this is how he'll do so?
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Old July 18 2013, 11:02 PM   #400
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^You want things to be the same as always? Yet keep things dynamic? Contradictory!
Not contradictory, just challenging. It's the same challenge writers always face when working within an established format: Keep things dynamic and expanding without violating the artistic integrity of the core concept. These type of re-imaginings are a lazy avoidance of that. Something like this might be an interesting "What If" or "Imaginary Story," but that's all.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:30 PM   #401
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It's the same challenge writers always face when working within an established format: Keep things dynamic and expanding without violating the artistic integrity of the core concept.
That's exactly what they have done. But from your past comments, it seems you're more concerned with preserving the superficial details, objecting to any change in them even if the core is still there.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:32 PM   #402
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Most of us don't think the artistic integrity of the Batman mythos has been violated. Certainly not after one episode. Who knows - you may end up loving BtB and I may end up hating it. It's too soon to tell.
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Old July 19 2013, 12:09 AM   #403
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Another point about Alfred... In the 1949 serial, he put on the Batman costume and served as a decoy when Bruce was kidnapped. He was hands on even back then.

I also had a thought... I like the idea of Katana becoming the new Robin. And somehow I imagined her costume being black but without losing the basic design that makes it recognizable as Robin. Here's a rough photoshop job I did. I'd probably even take out the yellow lining on the inside of the cape and just have a yellow rim, but if some contrast is needed, then leaving it in isn't a problem.

I think it's fair to say that I've warmed up to the show. They gave us some new twists I wouldn't have thought of and made them work. With Nolan's Batman, I was always curious about what each member of the familiar rogues gallery would be like, but with this show, I'm not that curious. If they put the focus on an entirely new set of villains I wouldn't mind at all.
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Another point about Alfred... In the 1949 serial, he put on the Batman costume and served as a decoy when Bruce was kidnapped. He was hands on even back then.
Something he did two or three times in the '66 series as well.


I think it's fair to say that I've warmed up to the show. They gave us some new twists I wouldn't have thought of and made them work. With Nolan's Batman, I was always curious about what each member of the familiar rogues gallery would be like, but with this show, I'm not that curious. If they put the focus on an entirely new set of villains I wouldn't mind at all.
I'd been assuming that Glen Murakami would be the lead character designer here, as he was on Teen Titans and I believe on Ben 10 Alien Force/Ultimate Alien, but apparently that job went to Shane Glines.
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Actually, according to Mitch Watson, the model for this version of Alfred is "Sean Connery from The Untouchables": Someone formerly on a par with the hero but now in his 60s and past his prime, reduced to a support/advisory role when he'd rather be a man of action alongside the hero.
"They pull a knife, you pull some kind of gunlike blaster thing. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you dispatch one of his offscreen."
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