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Old July 18 2013, 03:46 PM   #31
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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I think by far the worst line is Spock in Patterns of Force, saying to Kirk as he puts on a Nazi uniform (an SS uniform, no less):

"You should make a very convincing Nazi"

Attesting his own Captain, that he´d be convincing as a Nazi is beyond comprehension to me. Next to that, all the silly jokes or badly written bits and pieces pale by comparison, IMHO.
I concur. He didn't say "that [uniform] should make a very convincing Nazi".
What he actually did was insult his captain who had never revealed any kind of behaviour that could remotely qualify such a tasteless remark.

Unfortunately, I think Mr. Spock is also the offender here delivering other "worst lines" of dialogue. All that illogical "time travel" mumbojumbo gets me every time - from the first season of TOS to the fourth movie.

Especially considering how great "The Twilight Zone" dealt with the "time travel" scene in a logical and philosophical manner.

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Wow, that is surprising so by what you detail above, EVERYTHING dealing with our beloved Mister Spock and the curious phenomenon of time travel you have hated from 1966 - 1986.

Guess you loved him in his return visit; "Red Matter" Greatest Hits Tour of 2009!!
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Old July 18 2013, 04:02 PM   #32
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I found Spock's quip in "Patterns of Force" to be perfectly in line with Yiddish humor, where the logic of stereotypes and the structure of racism was often ridiculed. If you don't believe me, watch Blazing Saddles.

ETA: For that matter, watch the Daily Show.
That may be, and I have no problem with that in a comedy like "Blazing Saddles". But I don´t think "Patterns of Force" qualifies as a light or comedic episode like "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "I, Mudd". Its theme was quite serious and a minute after Spock´s line he and Kirk where being whipped. In that context I just don´t see this line as a joke, but of course YMMV

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A great joke? No, it wasn't. It's more of a groaner. However, I don't know why it should be considered immediately offensive, given the tendency in Jewish comedy to make light of very dark matters.
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Old July 18 2013, 04:58 PM   #33
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Spock's line is nothing more than a poke at Shatner's blonde-haired, Nordic alpha male appearance. Hardly a big deal.
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Old July 18 2013, 04:59 PM   #34
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And I love that movie.
This. And I love the first half of the movie. It started going downhill for me in the minutes leading up to the yell, but as soon as this happened it was the point of no return for me.
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Old July 18 2013, 05:04 PM   #35
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I found Spock's quip in "Patterns of Force" to be perfectly in line with Yiddish humor, where the logic of stereotypes and the structure of racism was often ridiculed. If you don't believe me, watch Blazing Saddles.

ETA: For that matter, watch the Daily Show.
That may be, and I have no problem with that in a comedy like "Blazing Saddles". But I don´t think "Patterns of Force" qualifies as a light or comedic episode like "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "I, Mudd". Its theme was quite serious and a minute after Spock´s line he and Kirk where being whipped. In that context I just don´t see this line as a joke, but of course YMMV

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A great joke? No, it wasn't. It's more of a groaner. However, I don't know why it should be considered immediately offensive, given the tendency in Jewish comedy to make light of very dark matters.

Agreed. I didn't learn of William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy Jewish background for years after watching and found this comment / dry humor of Spock quite humerous, so I do not think that plays into the enjoyment at all. To me it is the juxtaposition that through irony makes it funny.

But humor by definition is subjective.
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Old July 18 2013, 05:06 PM   #36
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Bashir in a season one episode of DS9. He's talking to Jadzia about staying up to work late, and he says to her very inappropriately something like:

"I can think of much better ways to keep you up all night"

Ewwww
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Old July 18 2013, 08:16 PM   #37
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"For a moment there, I thought you were just a dumb hick who only has sex with farm animals. " Uhura to Kirk, ST:XI

I freaking HATE that line. It just sounds over the top crass.
The problem with the line is that the PG-rating of Trek toned it down to the point of stupidity.

What would have clearly said, had the rating been R, was "For a moment there, I thought you were just a dumb hick who only fucks sheep."

"You have no idea how much I'm restraining myself from knocking you on your ass." Archer to T'Pol, who he's just met, in front of his and her superior officers. What a wanker.
That line was possibly the pinnacle of Star Trek Enterprise. It's all downhill from there.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:20 PM   #38
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Have you noticed how your boobs have started to firm up?
Beat me to it.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:24 PM   #39
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"I'm with Starfleet. We don't lie"

Followed up with beardless-Riker's smug nod of approval.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:25 PM   #40
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"I'm with Starfleet. We don't lie"

Followed up with beardless-Riker's smug nod of approval.
Christ, S1 and 2 TNG was terrible.
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Old July 18 2013, 08:28 PM   #41
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"I'm with Starfleet. We don't lie"

Followed up with beardless-Riker's smug nod of approval.
Is that from the episode when the sexy people were going to kill Wesley, where he was supposed to evaluate a pleasure planet for kids?
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Old July 18 2013, 08:33 PM   #42
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"For a moment there, I thought you were just a dumb hick who only has sex with farm animals. " Uhura to Kirk, ST:XI

I freaking HATE that line. It just sounds over the top crass.
Yeah, that line stinks bigtime, it starts okay and then goes way wrong. They really should've found another way to end that line.
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Old July 18 2013, 10:32 PM   #43
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Wow, that is surprising so by what you detail above, EVERYTHING dealing with our beloved Mister Spock and the curious phenomenon of time travel you have hated from 1966 - 1986.
I didn't say I hated it, but the time travel concepts presented in Star Trek until finally TNG's "Time's Arrow" came along are simply illogical, yet presented by television's character most famous for "logic". The irony is somewhat delicious.

The SS people wearing "Kirk's" uniform in "Patterns of Force" were in charge of ensuring that the concentration camp slave laborers were literally and systematically worked to death!

There's nothing remotely humorous to this issue. When asked to remember Holocaust suvivors usually burst out in tears for the atrocities they either witnessed or endured personally.

Had any of the producers participated during WW II in Europe and seen the liberation of a concentration camp, Spock's line in "Patterns of Force" would have been excised in the very first draft of the screenplay for this episode.

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Old July 18 2013, 10:42 PM   #44
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Spock's line is nothing more than a poke at Shatner's blonde-haired, Nordic alpha male appearance. Hardly a big deal.
You'd make a great Aryan, bitch.

Yeah I think that was basically it.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:35 PM   #45
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There's nothing remotely humorous to this issue. When asked to remember Holocaust suvivors usually burst out in tears for the atrocities they either witnessed or endured personally.

Had any of the producers participated during WW II in Europe and seen the liberation of a concentration camp, Spock's line in "Patterns of Force" would have been excised in the very first draft of the screenplay for this episode.

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It's apparent that not everyone shared this sentiment in the 60s and 70s. While a lot of holocaust survivors do break down and cry and choose not to remember those horrid atrocities, there are some Jewish people that found humor in the situation. Consider this list of stars from the TV comedy Hogan's Heroes, a show that ran from 1965-1971 about Allied POWs in a Nazi prison camp.

]John Banner - Sgt. Shultz (Austrian born, fled Nazi Germany)
Howard Caine - Major Hochstetter (fought Nazis in the US Navy)
Leon Askin - General Burkhalter (Austrian born, probably fled Nazi Germany)
Robert Clary - Corporal LeBeau (was in the Buchenwald concentration camp)
Werner Klemperer - "Werner Klemperer's story is a bit more complicated. His father was Jewish. His mother---Lutheran. His father converted to Catholicism before the Nazi regime. Not that the Nazis cared. Anyway, Werner was brought up as a Catholic. But his father--the famous conductor--formally returned to Judaism at the age of 88."

Robert Clary is of special note. He was actually interned in a concentration death camp. After Hogan's Heroes ended, Clary spent time touring Canada and speaking at schools about the Holocaust.

Either all of those actors listed above couldn't find work and were "forced" to act on Hogan's Heroes, or they were able to accept such work without thinking it was distasteful.

Despite what we may think of joking about the Holocaust now, it wasn't uncommon to satirize the Nazi state in the late 60s. Granted, the show was about a POW camp and not a concentration camp; regardless, it was mocking an extremely dark moment in the relatively recent past.

Interestingly, Hogan's Heroes was distributed by Paramount in 1965.
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