RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,702
Posts: 5,431,579
Members: 24,833
Currently online: 427
Newest member: PlainSimplGarak


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Welcome to the Trek BBS! > General Trek Discussion

General Trek Discussion Trek TV and cinema subjects not related to any specific series or movie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 17 2013, 07:55 AM   #1
Andres
Ensign
 
Location: Buffalo, New York
Send a message via AIM to Andres
Klingon Neutral Zone

When the Klingon Moon of Praxis exploded and the KE seeked help from the Federation, at the meeting with all the Starfleet officals the idea of dismantling the Neutral Zone arose. Now after the Khitomer Accords the Federation and Klingons were strained but after Nerranda III a friendship blossomed. By the time that the Dominion War arrived did the Klingon Neutral Zone still exist or had it been marked void as both powers had close ties? Or was the Neutral Zone still established as a "just in case"?
Andres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 08:30 AM   #2
TheSubCommander
Captain
 
TheSubCommander's Avatar
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

I don't remember anything canon, saying either way, so this is just conjecture on my part. I think the Klingon Neutral Zone, at least the side shared with the Feds, may have been treated more as a border by the time of TNG, than a DMZ, because the Enterprise crossed into Klingon space pretty frequently. There may have been nominal forces still stationed, just in case, but I don't see two allies having a heavily militarized border.

Now I am sure the Romulan-Klingon Neutral Zone was probably highly fortified on each side. For obvious reasons.
TheSubCommander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 02:04 PM   #3
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

The Klingon neutral zone? Didn't that first get mentioned in the films? Wasn't Kirk afraid if peace with the Klingons happened, there'd be no more Neutral Zone? I'd say it would be abolished, if it ever really existed. The Neutral Zone was supposed to be associated with the Romulans, not the Klingons.
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 02:49 PM   #4
Kevman7987
Commander
 
Kevman7987's Avatar
 
Location: Erie, PA, USA
View Kevman7987's Twitter Profile
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

Going by clues dropped in the franchise, The Klingon/Federation border didn't always have a neutral zone.

TOS always mentioned the Klingon border. The mention of a neutral zone did not appear until the movies. by the time of TNG, the Klingon border has become just a border again.

I get the feeling that the Federation/Klingon neutral zone only existed for a short time anyway. Maybe 20ish years.
__________________
"Don't do it, Meat!"
"Don't do it, Cheese!"
Kevman7987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 03:42 PM   #5
Anwar
Vice Admiral
 
Anwar's Avatar
 
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

The Klingon Neutral Zone was more or less a mistake. Originally, the enemies in the Kobayashi Maru test were supposed to be the Romulans, which explained why they mentioned a Neutral Zone and all that. Then they changed it to Klingons without changing anything else so now there was a Klingon Neutral Zone too.

It's mentioned only once more, in TUC, but after that it's never mentioned again. Mainly because it was a mistake it existed in the first place.
Anwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 06:16 PM   #6
T'Girl
Vice Admiral
 
T'Girl's Avatar
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

It was mentioned (in a way) in TSFS as well, Kurge at one point told his helmsman to set course for the "Federation Neutral Zone," which probably the Klingon term for what the Federation refers to as the "Klingon Neutral Zone."

What we saw in TWOK in Saavik simulator test didn't seem to be a zone entirely separating the Federation from the Empire, and more a enclosure of a limited area. An area of exclusion.

T'Girl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 07:08 PM   #7
Anwar
Vice Admiral
 
Anwar's Avatar
 
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

T'Girl wrote: View Post
It was mentioned (in a way) in TSFS as well, Kurge at one point told his helmsman to set course for the "Federation Neutral Zone," which probably the Klingon term for what the Federation refers to as the "Klingon Neutral Zone."
I think that was a holdover from the previous version of the story, where Kruge and the Klingons were Romulans (which is why they had a cloaked ship called a Bird-of-Prey).

What we saw in TWOK in Saavik simulator test didn't seem to be a zone entirely separating the Federation from the Empire, and more a enclosure of a limited area. An area of exclusion.

Yep, but what exactly the Neutral Zone is supposed to be is kind of a debated thing (or it was, back then). Originally, the Zone was an enclosed space that contained the Romulan Home System and the Romulans were like the Kzinti from Larry Niven's stories (blockaded within their own system only) but then they changed their minds and made them an Empire so now the Zone is a guarded Border instead of a containment line.
Anwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 07:15 PM   #8
MacLeod
Admiral
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

Perhaps the KNZ came about due to the Organian Peace Treaty
__________________
On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.
MacLeod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 08:24 PM   #9
Harvey
Admiral
 
Harvey's Avatar
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

The Klingon Neutral Zone is first mentioned in TWOK. It's a mistake, basically. The de Forest Research company strongly recommended changing it to the Romulan Neutral Zone; they also recommended a reference to "Gamma Hydra" to keep the film in line with the television series. For some reason (perhaps to use the stock footage from TMP without comment), the Klingon Neutral Zone stayed, but Gamma Hydra was added to the dialogue.

The later films stuck to the idea.
__________________
"This begs explanation." - de Forest Research on Star Trek

My blog: Star Trek Fact Check.
Harvey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 09:23 PM   #10
BK613
Captain
 
BK613's Avatar
 
Location: BK613
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

^^
it's been a while since I watched TWOK but I don't think they ever referred to it as "the Klingon Neutral Zone", just "the Neutral Zone" ( or "the Zone".)

Sure there were Klingon battlecruisers present but it was also a training exercise: their presence might be a surprise element for the Kobayshi Maru and not actually reflect reality...
__________________
-------------------
"The single biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place." - George Bernard Shaw
BK613 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2013, 09:55 PM   #11
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

^Good point. The KM scenario must have a few out-of-the-blue surprises to throw at the cadets, otherwise they'd all know what to expect after just one of them took it.
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2013, 12:50 AM   #12
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

MacLeod wrote: View Post
Perhaps the KNZ came about due to the Organian Peace Treaty
That's the way I've viewed it.

The Klingon Neutral Zone may have been just be a region of previously contested sectors that were declared off-limits to both the Federation and the Klingons.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2013, 02:16 AM   #13
Anwar
Vice Admiral
 
Anwar's Avatar
 
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

Then why would there be Klingon Battlecruisers inside the Zone ready to intercept any Fed ships that went in there?
Anwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2013, 02:19 AM   #14
Sran
Fleet Captain
 
Sran's Avatar
 
Location: The Captain's Table
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

Anwar wrote: View Post
It's mentioned only once more, in TUC, but after that it's never mentioned again. Mainly because it was a mistake it existed in the first place.
Wasn't Nimbus III in the Neutral Zone?

--Sran
__________________
"Many things seem clever to an imbecile." --Captain Thelin th'Valrass, USS Enterprise-- "The Chimes at Midnight"
Sran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2013, 02:21 AM   #15
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: Klingon Neutral Zone

Yup, the Planet of Galactic Peace was in the Neutral Zone. But which one?
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
federation, khitomer, klingon, neutral zone, praxis

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:28 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.