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Old July 10 2013, 05:13 PM   #46
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Re: Larry Nemecek to announce new book

Nemecek clearly put his heart into this judging by the book. Too bad they only taliked about the maps.
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Old July 11 2013, 09:51 PM   #47
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That was a great show. I really hope I can get my hands on this. It sounds like theres going to be some really cool stuff in there.
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Old July 13 2013, 10:44 AM   #48
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Re: Larry Nemecek to announce new book

The Star Trek Star Charts were a massive flop in 2002. What makes them think something so similar will do any better in 2013? Especially when the old maps and star charts are just a Google image search away, along with several high quality fan-made maps of Trek space.
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Old July 13 2013, 01:38 PM   #49
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Thanks for posting that interview. This has become one of my most anticipated books of the fall. I'll be buying it.
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Old July 13 2013, 02:30 PM   #50
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The Star Trek Star Charts were a massive flop in 2002. What makes them think something so similar will do any better in 2013?
At the time of books like Star Charts and Starship Spotter, Pocket was reluctant to invest enough to make those books really high in quality, which limited their appeal to collectors. This sounds like it's going to be a classier, fancier work, more of a collector's item like Federation: The First 150 Years. So they're probably gambling that investing more in the work will make it more appealing and successful.


Especially when the old maps and star charts are just a Google image search away, along with several high quality fan-made maps of Trek space.
If you're just looking for information, sure, an online map could be useful. If you're looking for a collector's item or a coffee-table book or a poster for your wall, that's a different matter.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:43 AM   #51
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I just listened to Larry's comments on Literary Treks, and let me just say my interest in the new Stellar Cartography has skyrocketed....

Now here's why. Since the "Star Charts" books I have been rabidly drawing and redrawing those maps over the last decade. I'm a bit of an amateur astronomer and have a great interest in incorporating the real galaxy with the Trek mythos...much like Geoff Mandel and Larry did. But as Mr. Nemecek mentioned, there are errors and oversights, not to mention a lot of subsequent episodes and 3 movies which contested the content of "Star Charts". So I have been surrounding myself with literally stacks of papers and charts; looking at Okudagrams, plotting real star points (which might actually be habitable, etc) and so forth. So yes, I invested a lot of time and was practically finished when this rolled along.

Larry covered EVERY point of contention which I also had to reason out (the Dominion War fronts, the struggle with a 3-D universe, where is the Delphic Expanse, etc) and he touched on EVERYTHING, blow by blow...it was like he had read all my notes. sorta weird. So while I'm a little bit sour-grapes about him doing the exact same thing I was, on the other hand, I know presentation-wise Nemecek's work will excel over mine visually in every way.

I'm already saving money for frames. I know Larry's maps will have a place on my "Trek Room" walls.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:50 AM   #52
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Looking forward to this.

(And I'd better download that interview next chance I get.)

I had the perfect (locally based) reviewer for this thing lined up too, but that soul is sticking to fantasy maps for the foreseeable. :-)
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Old July 16 2013, 04:06 AM   #53
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Hmm... I don't think I'll be able to resist this!
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Old July 16 2013, 08:38 AM   #54
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So future writers writng books have to use the map wehn writing about space travel?
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Old July 16 2013, 09:09 AM   #55
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So future writers writng books have to use the map wehn writing about space travel?
Who's going to force them? (If CBS Consumer Products decides that asking all authors to use the new maps is a good idea, then yes. But can they force authors to buy a set, or must Pocket and IDW supply copies to every new writer who comes along?)

But, similarly, Pocket once asked all its authors to use the Okudas' books as definitive sources for spellings for a period - except that they contained typos (eg. Catuallan for Catullan; ShirKahr for ShiKhar) and inconsistencies!
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Old July 16 2013, 02:41 PM   #56
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The novelists have never been required to remain consistent with anything except canon (and, as Therin noted, the Okuda references for a time). But I'm sure this new work will be a useful source of material for authors who choose to draw on it, just as Star Charts has been.
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Old July 17 2013, 05:36 AM   #57
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Sounds like it's more of a coffee-table art book than an atlas per se. I wonder how consistent it'll be with Star Charts. Strictly speaking, it wouldn't have to be, but a lot of the novels have used SC as a resource, and it'd be nice if this were a compatible resource for future novelists to draw on.
Who cares? Star Charts is filled with mistakes, and that's not including the severe limitations of using a two dimensional page to make a map of three dimensional space.

Why don't they make a computer program that has a 3D reconstruction that you can move around instead?
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Old July 17 2013, 06:47 AM   #58
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Sounds like it's more of a coffee-table art book than an atlas per se. I wonder how consistent it'll be with Star Charts. Strictly speaking, it wouldn't have to be, but a lot of the novels have used SC as a resource, and it'd be nice if this were a compatible resource for future novelists to draw on.
Who cares? Star Charts is filled with mistakes, and that's not including the severe limitations of using a two dimensional page to make a map of three dimensional space.

Why don't they make a computer program that has a 3D reconstruction that you can move around instead?
I would love a holographic atlas that you can walk thru (like what was seen in Attack of the Clones). Thinking we're a ways away from this. Super excited for the book though, ordered it the day it went on sale.
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Old July 17 2013, 10:14 AM   #59
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Tiberius wrote: View Post
Christopher wrote: View Post
Sounds like it's more of a coffee-table art book than an atlas per se. I wonder how consistent it'll be with Star Charts. Strictly speaking, it wouldn't have to be, but a lot of the novels have used SC as a resource, and it'd be nice if this were a compatible resource for future novelists to draw on.
Who cares? Star Charts is filled with mistakes, and that's not including the severe limitations of using a two dimensional page to make a map of three dimensional space.

Why don't they make a computer program that has a 3D reconstruction that you can move around instead?
we don't know how good or bad this edition is going to be.
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Old July 18 2013, 01:32 AM   #60
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Re: Larry Nemecek to announce new book

CaptainDonovin wrote: View Post
Tiberius wrote: View Post
Christopher wrote: View Post
Sounds like it's more of a coffee-table art book than an atlas per se. I wonder how consistent it'll be with Star Charts. Strictly speaking, it wouldn't have to be, but a lot of the novels have used SC as a resource, and it'd be nice if this were a compatible resource for future novelists to draw on.
Who cares? Star Charts is filled with mistakes, and that's not including the severe limitations of using a two dimensional page to make a map of three dimensional space.

Why don't they make a computer program that has a 3D reconstruction that you can move around instead?
I would love a holographic atlas that you can walk thru (like what was seen in Attack of the Clones). Thinking we're a ways away from this. Super excited for the book though, ordered it the day it went on sale.
Actually, we're slowly getting closer to that. A while back io9 had story about a 360 degree interactive 3D recreation of the martian landscape. You basically walked into this room with a wraparound screen that projected a life sized 3D video of the martian landscape. I think it might have even had motion sensors so the landscape would react realistically, but I can't remember for sure.
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