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Old July 14 2013, 03:48 PM   #406
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When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
At least we've got TrekLit to counter this.
Except the topic is specifically about female authority figures in the Abramsverse (oh, I wish we had a better name for that continuity), and there is no Trek Lit in the Abramsverse except the YA Academy novels. How have they been at portraying female authority figures?

(There was a female commodore as a major character in my Abramsverse novel that got cancelled, though.)
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Old July 14 2013, 07:30 PM   #407
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Assassination Game has Nadja Luther, who was an authority figure to the cadets. I forget the specifics of her position, but she was ostensibly in charge of the Assassination Game and held some type of position. I really don't recall too many female characters outside of Uhura and Gaila and Kirk's love interest in The Edge in the previous three books. But it's few and far between.
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Old July 14 2013, 08:51 PM   #408
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When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
At least we've got TrekLit to counter this.
Except the topic is specifically about female authority figures in the Abramsverse (oh, I wish we had a better name for that continuity), and there is no Trek Lit in the Abramsverse except the YA Academy novels. How have they been at portraying female authority figures?

(There was a female commodore as a major character in my Abramsverse novel that got cancelled, though.)
Sorry. I saw the references to the pattern existing since Trek's inception and DS9 and thought that opened the discussion to the whole franchise. I guess I misunderstood.
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Old July 14 2013, 09:25 PM   #409
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Oh. Well, maybe the conversation broadened without my noticing.
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Old July 15 2013, 09:18 AM   #410
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When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
At least we've got TrekLit to counter this.
Overseen by Orci.
It's my understanding that Orci and the folks at Bad Robot only oversee comics/novels based on ST09 and STID, not the entire Treklit line. Treklit in general remains under the authority of CBS, not Bad Robot.
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Old July 15 2013, 02:43 PM   #411
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^Yes, exactly. Orci's a busy TV/film producer. He doesn't have time to oversee the entirety of Trek Lit. He's only involved with overseeing Abramsverse tie-ins, and judging from how many inconsistencies there are between the films and the comics, it doesn't seem his oversight is particularly close.
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Old July 15 2013, 03:58 PM   #412
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^Yes, exactly. Orci's a busy TV/film producer. He doesn't have time to oversee the entirety of Trek Lit. He's only involved with overseeing Abramsverse tie-ins, and judging from how many inconsistencies there are between the films and the comics, it doesn't seem his oversight is particularly close.
Which is about the level of inconsistencies I've come to expect from Star Trek.
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Old July 15 2013, 08:10 PM   #413
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^Yes, exactly. Orci's a busy TV/film producer. He doesn't have time to oversee the entirety of Trek Lit. He's only involved with overseeing Abramsverse tie-ins, and judging from how many inconsistencies there are between the films and the comics, it doesn't seem his oversight is particularly close.
Which is about the level of inconsistencies I've come to expect from Star Trek.


Throughout its entire history, Star Trek has always been full of inconsistencies (James T. Kirk vs. James R. Kirk?). As have, frankly, most ongoing franchises. Even those most dedicated to consistency often ended up with their supposedly "canonical" tie-ins (e.g., Babylon 5 and its novel line during the series).
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Old July 15 2013, 08:49 PM   #414
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The comics are turning into a bore. Are we going to get A Star Fleet Academy novel in 2013? or are the rumours about the cancellations of the series true?
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The comics are turning into a bore. Are we going to get A Star Fleet Academy novel in 2013? or are the rumours about the cancellations of the series true?
FWIW there was a fifth (untitled) SA book listed for this August for ages on Amazon, but for some time now it's only listed as unavailable and no sign of it can be found anymore on the S&S site (and I'm reasonably sure I remember seeing it listed there in the past). So I guess there's a very good chance that the series has indeed been discontinued.
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The comics are turning into a bore. Are we going to get A Star Fleet Academy novel in 2013? or are the rumours about the cancellations of the series true?
FWIW there was a fifth (untitled) SA book listed for this August for ages on Amazon, but for some time now it's only listed as unavailable and no sign of it can be found anymore on the S&S site (and I'm reasonably sure I remember seeing it listed there in the past). So I guess there's a very good chance that the series has indeed been discontinued.
I'm pretty sure the series was unofficially cancelled. A fifth book (by Barba, I believe) was listed on Amazon as Defcon said and there was a TBA entry for it on Memory Alpha. I recall someone mentioning at the time Assassination Game came out that it seemed likely that the series was cancelled after the third entry, but as the fourth entry was contracted and written, it made sense to release it and get some money out of it.

In hindsight, I wonder if part of the delay on Assassination Game was based around initial similarities to Into Darkness. "Secret Organization Within Starfleet uses staged terrorist attacks to foment war with aggressive alien species. Kirk and well meaning friends foil plan that is figured headed by a blackhat acting like a good guy."
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Old July 16 2013, 09:28 PM   #417
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^Yes, exactly. Orci's a busy TV/film producer. He doesn't have time to oversee the entirety of Trek Lit. He's only involved with overseeing Abramsverse tie-ins, and judging from how many inconsistencies there are between the films and the comics, it doesn't seem his oversight is particularly close.
There is a line that cannot be reconcilled no matter what. It happened with more consistent franchises. Continuity is pretty good so far. as far as the novels are concerned. do they belong to a different studio than the comics?
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Old July 16 2013, 10:17 PM   #418
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^Yes, the novels are published by Pocket Books, and the comics are published by IDW Comics. Says so right on the covers.
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Old July 16 2013, 10:53 PM   #419
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I knew that but aren't the right's mixed up the same way the tv and movie rights are between diferent studios?
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I knew that but aren't the right's mixed up the same way the tv and movie rights are between diferent studios?
Star Trek as a series, and the spin-offs (TNG, DSN, VOY, and ENT) are all copyrighted to CBS Studios. CBS also owns Star Trek as a trademark.

The ST films are all copyrighted to Paramount (a subsidiary of Viacom), under license from CBS.

Think of it as being like how Firefly is copyrighted to 20th Century Fox, but Serenity is copyrighted to Universal Pictures under license from Fox. Just as Serenity is a derivative work based upon Firefly, the ST films are all derivative works based upon Star Trek.
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