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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Generations 24 19.05%
First Contact 7 5.56%
Insurrection 37 29.37%
Nemesis 58 46.03%
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Old July 9 2013, 01:22 PM   #46
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Re: What is your least favourite TNG film

I liked the concept of Shinzon, and had no problems with the idea of Jean-Luc Picard being a great man (greatness in this context meaning performing great feats) no matter what kind of life he lived. Captain of the Enterprise and multi-time saviour of Earth and the Federation in one life and Dominion War hero, revolutionary and leader of the Romulan Star Empire in another.
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Old July 9 2013, 01:30 PM   #47
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To me the worst is Nemesis - the only Trek movie I watched just once. But Generations and First Contact are almost equally awful. Insurrection is the only TNG movie I find somewhat watchable.
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Old July 9 2013, 02:25 PM   #48
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Insurrection. It did nothing to advance the TNG story or timeline. Very unfulfilling for the big screen.
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Old July 9 2013, 09:17 PM   #49
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Trek movies don't usually do much for the timeline, you have to admit.
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Old July 11 2013, 10:30 PM   #50
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Insurrection by a hair over Nemesis. Nemesis was a rehash of TWOK and TUC smushed together. Insurrection had a mostly original plot, but was dull as mud. At least Nemesis was decent as a crappy action flick.
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Old July 14 2013, 11:24 PM   #51
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Insurrection. Nemesis gets a lot of hate, and it has plenty of story problems, but it felt important and kept my interest. Insurrection's story just didn't interest me hardly at all, it felt like a regression, Data's story was a retread, the only parts I really liked were the Riker/Troi stuff. The earlier drafts of the story sounded much more interesting though.
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Old July 15 2013, 05:21 PM   #52
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I liked the concept of Shinzon, and had no problems with the idea of Jean-Luc Picard being a great man (greatness in this context meaning performing great feats) no matter what kind of life he lived. Captain of the Enterprise and multi-time saviour of Earth and the Federation in one life and Dominion War hero, revolutionary and leader of the Romulan Star Empire in another.
I'm still convinced there's a good movie somewhere there in Nemesis, and some story potential in the character of Shinzon. I'd never have made him a Picard clone though. There's a scene earlier in the movie where the crew are talking about this coup which has taken place on Romulus and Shinzon is just this mysterious guy from Remus who they know nothing about. That's how I'd have kept it. He's a shady character from the sister planet who has spent his entire life being subjucated by the Romulans; but has managed, through gradually ingratiating himself inside their ranks via his role in the Dominion War, to supplant them as their new ruler. Not only does the 'Wild Card' of this unknown new leader of their foe potentially change the stakes for the entire Federation/Romulan situation, thus justifying the Enterprise crew taking a key role in finding out a little more about the mysterious new Praetor, but if Shinzon's beef is solely with the Romulans, and his ultimate plan involves bringing down their empire somehow from within, then Picard and crew get to be big damn heroes by saving the Romulans, thereby strengthening ties between the two galactic powers. It'd kinda be like The Undiscovered Country with a TNG twist.

Basically, I think the same plot with just a few small alterations to the existing plot could have turned Nemesis from a big dumb action flick to an intriguing political drama (with some action movie over-tones of course). Hence my feeling it had 'un-realized potential'.

None of which excuses the eventual movie of course, which was very much a big dumb action flick. Which was of course exactly what the studio wanted it to be.
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Old July 15 2013, 05:37 PM   #53
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Generations.

It's just a fucking mess, and easily the worst proper Star Trek film. First Contact is dumb fun, and Insurrection is one of the few Star Trek films to feel like Star Trek, so I'll always like it.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:04 AM   #54
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Generations.

It's just a fucking mess, and easily the worst proper Star Trek film. First Contact is dumb fun, and Insurrection is one of the few Star Trek films to feel like Star Trek, so I'll always like it.

what's the worst improper Star Trek film?
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Old July 16 2013, 08:02 PM   #55
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Generations.

It's just a fucking mess, and easily the worst proper Star Trek film. First Contact is dumb fun, and Insurrection is one of the few Star Trek films to feel like Star Trek, so I'll always like it.

what's the worst improper Star Trek film?
What is a 'proper' Star Trek film?
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Old July 16 2013, 10:11 PM   #56
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It would be off-topic to mention them in this section.
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Old July 16 2013, 10:24 PM   #57
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It would be off-topic to mention them in this section.
We all know what it's code for. Why bring it up at all if it doesn't belong in this forum?

Just got to get a dig in?
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Old July 16 2013, 10:26 PM   #58
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All of them. I've got the movie box set, but the only ones I reach for to re-watch is Khan and the Undiscovered Country.

I'd rather watch The Final Frontier than sit through Generations.
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Old July 16 2013, 11:12 PM   #59
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Re: What is your least favourite TNG film

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It would be off-topic to mention them in this section.
We all know what it's code for. Why bring it up at all if it doesn't belong in this forum?

Just got to get a dig in?
Yep. Never lets a chance go begging.

But the marvellous thing is, for those of us who LOVED the last improper installment, there's more glorious improper romps to come. The haters will have to deal.
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Old July 16 2013, 11:48 PM   #60
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Alright.
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