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Old July 15 2013, 01:36 PM   #16
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Re: [spoiler]'s [spoiler] vs. Cumberbatch's [spoiler]

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Khanberbatch > Montelkhan

He actually does superhuman stuff, and appeared to grasp the three dimensional nature of space
Gotta agree to disagree with you there.

This is like saying PineKirk>ShatKirk or QuintoSpock>NimoySpock, IMHO.

All three cases you had good actors, and they were entertaining, but better than the original actor? Hardly.
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Old July 15 2013, 07:54 PM   #17
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...and with a better script he'd have given good competition. As it stands, he's kinda a generic modern blockbuster villain in the mould of Ledger's Joker, Loki from The Avengers, and Silva from Skyfall. Though they were much better.

... The fact originally conceived villain John Harrison turned out to be Khan in a contrived twist, was incidental to the storyline and amounted to a gimmick. Quality will always beat gimmick.
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Doing Khan is lazy and obvious but I wouldn't mind as much if they did use him, as long as they did it properly. It was the weird halfway measured John Harrison angle we got that made Khan lack impact.

I keep forgetting the Benedict Cumberbatch villain in the movie I saw this summer was Khan. And I'm a Star Trek obsessive.
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Remember when Star Trek had good writers? It was ace.
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Yes, I think my favourite DS9, TNG, and TOS writers are better than Orci and Kurtzman.

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I suspect it's the genre itself you object to most of all.
Not really. There can be smart action blockbusters, or at least blockbusters that try to be smart. I don't see stupidity as something to be praised.

Now you'll reply with "But it must be good man, it sells loads!", completely misunderstanding that I don't care about that.
No, here's where I reply that the topic of this thread is "comparing actors' portrayals of the same role"—specifically Cumberbatch's and Montalban's portrayals of Khan—and that if one has a complaint about the "smartness" of the writing, one really ought to go start a thread with that as the primary topic and leave off attempts at peevishly hijacking this one.
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Old July 15 2013, 10:23 PM   #18
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Re: Comparing actors' portrayals of the same role (possible spoilers)

Absolute joke. Won't even waste my time.

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Old July 15 2013, 11:41 PM   #19
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Maybe there was already a thread on this, but I didn't see it. I think this is going to be like the "Jack Nicholson's Joker vs. Heath Ledger's Joker" for Star Trek. I think the way the played the character was very different, Montalban's Khan was fiery and passionate, whereas Cumberbatch's was cooler and flatter. Also in STXI they actually gave flashes of Khan's intellect, whereas in TWOK we just get told about it over and over again, but Khan doesn't really demonstrate it. Cumberbatch's is more devious, Montalban's is more direct.


So- overall, who was the better Khan?
in TWOK Khan had wanted revenge against the man he thought had wrong him James T. Kirk. That desire had been festering years, compare that to when he appeared in "Space Seed".

I prefer Montalban's Khan but that might be down to that's the one I grew up with.
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Old July 16 2013, 12:54 AM   #20
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Cumberbatch is far better actor than Montalban. His Khan was far more nuanced, especially when compared to TWOK Khan. But there is something about the way Montalban chews the scenery.
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Plus he had rich Corinthian leather.
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