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Old July 9 2013, 09:58 PM   #31
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Re: Corporate Bad Guys

Well, at least I can say that I have only ever had a land line and so am responsible for none of the devices in landfills--with folks having to have the latest gadget--but that's just me being a curmudgeon
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Old July 10 2013, 01:26 AM   #32
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I am at an absolute loss to imagine how anyone can be effective in pushing for corporate change without using a computer. Are you honestly saying that a customer doesn't have a right to demand change from a corporation?
Of course they should. [Apple pc's are hardly the only game in town] I just don't personally see people outside the Apple Stores
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

http://usuncut.org/targets/apple

http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/04/...-with-balloons

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/09...apple_protest/

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/bu...ethical-iphone

http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...tore-in-paris/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1265406.html

http://www.macstories.net/news/group...ed-tax-breaks/

http://www.world-newyork.com/2012/02...s_transparency

https://www.google.com/search?q=Prot...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[at least in the US] demanding that Apple stop making ipadsd at Chinese factories that use sucide nets to stop employees from jumping because of the horrible working conditions.

Nor do I see protests in front of Apple stores because they sheild their huge earnings overseas from taxes.
.... so you're saying Occupy Wall Street should have been based outside an Apple store instead of Zuccotti Park?

They were protesting an entire corporate culture, not any one particular company. They weren't directly outside Goldman Sachs Tower, but that doesn't mean Goldman Sachs wasn't one of their targets of protest.

Did see however this last Presidential election huge outcries from often the same groups who thought Mitt Romney was a shameful and awful person for doing exactly the same thing
What exactly are you referring to? Which specific persons made which specific allegations? Which of those making such allegations indicated that they feel Apple Inc. is innocent?

And when did Apple Inc. run for president?

ETA:

And for that matter, how is the relative prevalence of criticism against one particular company relevant to the overall question of whether or not corporations are institutionally immoral and therefore fair targets for fiction to depict as villainous? I mean, you might as well complain that a free speech advocate hasn't spent enough time protesting censorship in Russia: It's only tangentially related to the topic at hand.
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Old July 10 2013, 01:29 AM   #33
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Did see however this last Presidential election huge outcries from often the same groups who thought Mitt Romney was a shameful and awful person for doing exactly the same thing
The Apple CEO was running for president? Damn, I must've missed him in the debates. Knew I should've stopped watching only Biden's reaction shots...
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Old July 10 2013, 01:31 AM   #34
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Did see however this last Presidential election huge outcries from often the same groups who thought Mitt Romney was a shameful and awful person for doing exactly the same thing
The Apple CEO was running for president? Damn, I must've missed him in the debates. Knew I should've stopped watching only Biden's reaction shots...
Apparently you're only allowed to criticize a candidate if his supporters think you've met your protest quota for other people you object to.
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Old July 10 2013, 01:57 PM   #35
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The Apple CEO was running for president? Damn, I must've missed him in the debates. Knew I should've stopped watching only Biden's reaction shots...
No but Apple often gets a pass on its business practices from many people. Reference Congress kissing their ass during hearings on their tax sheilding.

In any case, the overall thread topic is about coprorate bad guys. I agree they are the new villians for Hollywood.

Just pointing out that Apple often gets a pass on this with the general public.
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Old July 10 2013, 02:02 PM   #36
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After all these years, OmniCorp is still my favourite villain corporation.
Weylan(d)-Yutani edges it for me, but OCP are a close second
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Old July 10 2013, 02:03 PM   #37
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^ Yup. Stark and Wayne are the "good" billionaires using their wealth responsibly to help people as opposed to the plundering "bad" billionaires. Marcus was pure military.
Both had to wrestle control back from 'bad' billionaires within their respective movie franchises so they were hardly immune from the evil corporate dickhead trope.

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Old July 10 2013, 04:58 PM   #38
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After all these years, OmniCorp is still my favourite villain corporation.
OmniCorp? Isn't that the new name for Omni Consumer Products aka OCP?
Y'know I never actually realised that I'd been calling them that for years until now. Yes, OCP is what I'd meant.
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Old July 11 2013, 12:39 PM   #39
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One thing to remember is the international box office has become more important than it had been in previous decades. Where they could make the Soviets or Chinese or any other nationality a villain and no one complained, they now need those markets and cannot afford to take the chance of alienating a potential market.
Actually I'm pretty sure that Soviets aren't the villains in most films these days because with the collapse of the Soviet Union and subsequent end of the Cold War.
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Old July 11 2013, 01:32 PM   #40
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After all these years, OmniCorp is still my favourite villain corporation.
Weylan(d)-Yutani edges it for me, but OCP are a close second
As bad as OCP could be, I think I would have to agree WY is worse.
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Old July 11 2013, 03:45 PM   #41
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One thing to remember is the international box office has become more important than it had been in previous decades. Where they could make the Soviets or Chinese or any other nationality a villain and no one complained, they now need those markets and cannot afford to take the chance of alienating a potential market.
Actually I'm pretty sure that Soviets aren't the villains in most films these days because with the collapse of the Soviet Union and subsequent end of the Cold War.
I was referencing the use of the Soviets in previous decades, sorry it wasn't clear.
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Old July 15 2013, 01:43 AM   #42
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What about Iron Man? Tony's a rich businessman who was literally profiting from death and war, yet he is considered a heroic character.

Or is it just because of really good writing and acting he can be appreciated by audiences?
He had a change of heart.
First of all:

Secondly, is it wholly because of his actions or was it also to do with his condition of needing the electromagnet?
Going from the movies, where the majority of his popularity comes from, Stark seemed to be largely unaware of what his company was doing. He believed they were making weapons that protected soldiers from the enemy. It was only when he was captured that he realized what was going on. He then changes his company from making weapons to whatever they make now, the movies aren't really clear. He at least seems to be trying to use the Arc reactor technology as a power source that would benefit the world more than continuing to use oil.

It also helps that RDJ has done an amazing job making Tony Stark absolutely charming and likable.

Bruce Wayne also gets a pass because he helps people and his company focuses a lot on improving Gotham. The Nolan movies show that his father ran the company the same way, they only changed after his death and before Bruce took over again.
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Old August 18 2014, 07:29 AM   #43
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Its not rocket science evil people have to have power, power mostly goes to corporations.
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